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Old October 26th, 2012, 03:56 PM   #241

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And which of this article states that the migrant workers are changing the demographics of the state? You are just misquoting the articles to falsely proove your claim.

This is just the act of some terrorist organizations only and not that of local public as the article clearly states. and one of the article has even mentioned that locals are objecting against the activity of the group. So atleast read your own source before posting it!!!

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We don't need to. Since Indian media is free from govt. control, surveys done by Indian media has just as much validity as done in other western sources, for example their election related opinions.
Since those surveys have statistical validity, so does this one.

Come back to us when China can satisfy the basic criteria of media freedom.
Indian media is mostly run by indo aryan people. Any AP native owned papers doing the polling?

Los Angeles Times - Los Angeles, Calif.
Author: Mitchell Koss
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Start Page: M.2
Section: Opinion; Part M; Editorial Pages Desk
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From the Chinese the Wa have also learned about development. The Wa don't seem to have much in common with the Burmese majority far away in the rest of Myanmar. They don't love the ruling generals. They don't love [Aung San Suu Kyi]. They love China and everything Chinese. In remote areas of Special Region #2 you can see Chinese road builders camped in tents made of plastic sheeting, a sight evocative of images of Chinese building the American railroads 150 years ago. Chinese trucks ply these new -- albeit dirt -- roads. Chinese merchants operate the small shops in the villages
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Television broadcasts within the Wa State are broadcasted in Standard Chinese. Commodities within the Wa State are brought over from China, and the Renminbi is used for exchanges. China Mobile has cellular coverage over some parts of the Wa State.[6]
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Had "pro democracy" magazines like the irrawady, which supports aung san suu kyi, proclaimed that the wa people hated china and loved aung san and the burmese democratic movement, you would have swallowed that codswallop whole and used it to bash china. The wa don't give a crap about either the burmese democracy movement (funded by westerners) or the burmese military junta, they support china despite their territory being entirely located in burma.
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And which of this article states that the migrant workers are changing the demographics of the state? You are just misquoting the articles to falsely proove your claim.

This is just the act of some terrorist organizations only and not that of local public as the article clearly states. and one of the article has even mentioned that locals are objecting against the activity of the group. So atleast read your own source before posting it!!!
I did read them, but its common sense to disagree with the activities of rebel groups when you are in an area under government control. Why anyone would disagree with the government and have their name printed down in the paper?
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Indian media is mostly run by indo aryan people. Any AP native owned papers doing the polling?

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Largely irrelevant and racist of you to raise that point.
The issue is not about racial composition of the newspaper executives, the issue is of government control over media and the goverment audit of material.
Given that most local-run AP newspapers reported the article, your point is a moot issue in the first place.
There has been no official polling in AP but i don't think India would mind that if someone is willing to fund it, given that almost all semi-official polling results in overwhelming majority expressing pro-India sentiments.


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Had "pro democracy" magazines like the irrawady, which supports aung san suu kyi, proclaimed that the wa people hated china and loved aung san and the burmese democratic movement, you would have swallowed that codswallop whole and used it to bash china. The wa don't give a crap about either the burmese democracy movement (funded by westerners) or the burmese military junta, they support china despite their territory being entirely located in burma.
Largely strawman argument.

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Why anyone would disagree with the government and have their name printed down in the paper?
Happens all the time in western and Indian media, its called freedom of the press from government bullying, something i suppose despotate of China folks do not have a grasp of.
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Largely irrelevant and racist of you to raise that point.
The issue is not about racial composition of the newspaper executives, the issue is of government control over media and the goverment audit of material.
Given that most local-run AP newspapers reported the article, your point is a moot issue in the first place.
There has been no official polling in AP but i don't think India would mind that if someone is willing to fund it, given that almost all semi-official polling results in overwhelming majority expressing pro-India sentiments.




Largely strawman argument.



Happens all the time in western and Indian media, its called freedom of the press from government bullying, something i suppose despotate of China folks do not have a grasp of.
You think some american getting interviewed in an american newspaper and saying they agree with afghans killing american soldiers isn't going to get a visit from the CIA? This isn't even about how brutal your police force is (and indian police is), its common sense. If someone supports right wing militia groups in america and says so out loud they are going to get watched by the FBI.
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Indian media is mostly run by indo aryan people. Any AP native owned papers doing the polling?.


The fact that you are making such statements clearly shows your total lack of understanding or knowledge of Indian media.

Oh and btw "The hindu" - the source that you are most frequently (mis)quoting to proove your points is predominantly run by Dravidian people if we think on the line of racial division of Indian people etc!!!

One more thing India will surely ready to organize plebiscite in AP. But it will be the China that will object to it as China knows very well that such plebiscite will surely go in favour of India.
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The fact that you are making such statements clearly shows your total lack of understanding or knowledge of Indian media.

Oh and btw "The hindu" - the source that you are most frequently (mis)quoting to proove your points is predominantly run by Dravidian people if we think on the line of racial division of Indian people etc!!!

One more thing India will surely ready to organize plebiscite in AP. But it will be the China that will object to it as China knows very well that such plebiscite will surely go in favour of India.
"Brown skinned people" didn't sound politically correct. And since dravidians aren't rebelling against India, why would they be neutral when it comes to India and other countries? For a plebiscite to not go in favor of the host nation, it has to be done by a third party.

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You think some american getting interviewed in an american newspaper and saying they agree with afghans killing american soldiers isn't going to get a visit from the CIA?.

I can't say about USA but I can say with confident that it is not the case with India.

Afzal who planned the attack on Indian parliament is surely terrorist. and yet Arundhati roy is openly calling him Prisoner of war. and yet roaming openly in India. Althaugh nobody like her after such pathetic statements.

Kasab is getting fair court trial despite its obvious involvment in bombay attacks. (even you tube videos are sufficient to proove him terrorists) He should be hanged on the very next day. Yet he is getting a proper court trial like any normal Indian citizen should get!!!

and lets not even talk about the people like zakir naik who openly rediculs Hinduism , shikhism etc and yet goverment isn't banning them from preaching in public. (Btw Zakir naik is banned in Canada and UK for his orthodox Islamic speeches favouring Osama bin laden)

But as LOG said it will be hard for someone to understand the freedom of speech if he/she hasn't experienced the air of democracy for most of his/her life!!!

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This isn't even about how brutal your police force is (and indian police is), its common sense.
Have you ever been to India? If not how are you so sure that Indian police is brutal? Certainly they aren't well mannered as is the case with the western countries but saying the brutal is totally inappropriate.

And please don't quote ridiculous sources as judging from the quality of previous sources I am not interested in reading them.

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If someone supports right wing militia groups in america and says so out loud they are going to get watched by the FBI.
Obvioulsy its common sense. If somebody says that he supports right wing militia group that goverment agency will obviously spy on him.

However lucky for him that he is in US. If he would have been in some communist country or the country run by dictators, he may not get even privilage to roam freely on the street!!!
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I can't say about USA but I can say with confident that it is not the case with India.

Afzal who planned the attack on Indian parliament is surely terrorist. and yet Arundhati roy is openly calling him Prisoner of war. and yet roaming openly in India. Althaugh nobody like her after such pathetic statements.

Kasab is getting fair court trial despite its obvious involvment in bombay attacks. (even you tube videos are sufficient to proove him terrorists) He should be hanged on the very next day. Yet he is getting a proper court trial like any normal Indian citizen should get!!!

and lets not even talk about the people like zakir naik who openly rediculs Hinduism , shikhism etc and yet goverment isn't banning them from preaching in public. (Btw Zakir naik is banned in Canada and UK for his orthodox Islamic speeches favouring Osama bin laden)

But as LOG said it will be hard for someone to understand the freedom of speech if he/she hasn't experienced the air of democracy for most of his/her life!!!



Have you ever been to India? If not how are you so sure that Indian police is brutal? Certainly they aren't well mannered as is the case with the western countries but saying the brutal is totally inappropriate.

And please don't quote ridiculous sources as judging from the quality of previous sources I am not interested in reading them.



Obvioulsy its common sense. If somebody says that he supports right wing militia group that goverment agency will obviously spy on him.

However lucky for him that he is in US. If he would have been in some communist country or the country run by dictators, he may not get even privilage to roam freely on the street!!!
Kasab was beaten up by the police with lathi, its considered police brutality to beat up an injured suspect while apprehending them and they were only stopped by the police inspector.

Zakir Naik would be considered a massive joke by most people and not taken seriously, look at what he said here- [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDCea5ajbN4]Dr. Zakir Naik: "One-Third of New York is Gay" - YouTube[/ame]

If anyone takes him seriously then its their brain which has problems and not because he is a security threat.
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You think some american getting interviewed in an american newspaper and saying they agree with afghans killing american soldiers isn't going to get a visit from the CIA?
Correct. Especially if that somebody happens to be a grocery store owner from Kentucky.

In any case, your analogy is false and a strawman. The issue is of loyalty, not of terrorism or murder. No American is *EVER* going to get a visit from the CIA if they kept saying that Washington state should be inependent or join Canada. Likewise applies to most democratic nations and their free media.

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This isn't even about how brutal your police force is (and indian police is), its common sense. If someone supports right wing militia groups in america and says so out loud they are going to get watched by the FBI.
Nothing more than propaganda that seeks to put Chinese despotism in fairer light. The issue is, nobody in India or America is going to get jailed, beaten or their families threatened if they said they seek independence from India. Unfortunately, that is exactly what China does and therefore, Chinese position is not credible, while i will consider the Indian position on AP credible, fair and semi-officially proven. As such, it is fairly categoric to say that almost all semi-official polling shows over 90% of AP folks want to stay a part of India and want nothign to do with China. This, IMO, overrides Chinese imperialistic claims over AP and if this was officially conducted by India, completely negates Chinese claim to the territorry on legal basis.
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