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View Poll Results: Most powerful empire that ever existed?
Roman Empire 110 31.52%
Ottoman Empire 17 4.87%
Mongol Empire 29 8.31%
Spanish Empire 3 0.86%
Napoleon Empire 9 2.58%
Qing Empire 7 2.01%
Imperalist Japan 0 0%
Portuguese Empire 2 0.57%
Third Reich 9 2.58%
British Empire 111 31.81%
Soviet Union - USSR 13 3.72%
Dutch Empire 0 0%
Byzantine Empire 5 1.43%
Italian Empire 0 0%
Swedish Empire 1 0.29%
Other Empire (mention) 33 9.46%
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Old October 28th, 2012, 04:29 AM   #521
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Whatever but perhaps you should look to yourself
No "perhaps"; I do; do you?

You know, this is a paradigmatic example, the very definition of ad hominem fallacies; not an insult (which it is certainly not the case here); but just that my argumentation here is pretended to be rejected just on the basis of some purported irrelevant fact about the author.

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Old October 28th, 2012, 04:56 AM   #522

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Read the threads properly! That is clarified in post #494. No one is singling out the Republic of India, the point is the Indian subcontinent's pre-disposition to the risk of famine.
And do you know why it was caused it was an aftermath of genocidal rule of pakistan forces supported by NATO forces that caused the bengal famine.
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And that too after the massive genocide in 1971 by Pak forces largely helped by China, USA and our mother England.
Another totally unjustified and gratutious example of unthinking Anglophobia.
What involvement in the Pakistani atrocities in what was then East Pakistan did "England" have?
You may recall also that when the 1974 famine occured due to flooding, government corruption, private hoarding, the earlier looting by the Indian Army and typical regional incompetence, India declined to assist, the US withheld emergency food aid for political reasons, while the British government provided 9.5 million on immediate food credits. I don't remember the figures offhand, but the TV appeal for Bangladesh at the time (non governmental aid) raised the largest amount of charity relief ever up until that time.
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Two distributional failures stand out. The first failure was internal: the specific configuration of the state rationing system and the market resulted in speculative hoarding by farmers and traders and a consequent rise in prices.[17] The second failure was external: the US had withheld 2.2 million tonnes of food aid to 'ensure that it abandoned plans to try Pakistani war criminals'. And a year later, when Bangladesh was faced with severe monsoons and imminent floods, the then US Ambassador to Bangladesh made it abundantly clear that the US probably could not commit food aid because of Bangladesh's policy of exporting jute to Cuba. And by the time Bangladesh succumbed to the American pressure, and stopped jute exports to Cuba, the food aid in transit was "too late for famine victims

this explains what i am trying to say
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Two distributional failures stand out. The first failure was internal: the specific configuration of the state rationing system and the market resulted in speculative hoarding by farmers and traders and a consequent rise in prices.[17] The second failure was external: the US had withheld 2.2 million tonnes of food aid to 'ensure that it abandoned plans to try Pakistani war criminals'. And a year later, when Bangladesh was faced with severe monsoons and imminent floods, the then US Ambassador to Bangladesh made it abundantly clear that the US probably could not commit food aid because of Bangladesh's policy of exporting jute to Cuba. And by the time Bangladesh succumbed to the American pressure, and stopped jute exports to Cuba, the food aid in transit was "too late for famine victims

this explains what i am trying to say
Fair enough. Although again, the famine was not so much CAUSED by the exteral factors, just turned into a disaster
I think that this document puts the chain of events in perspective.Bangladesh famine (1974) - History of Bangladesh
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US and all other NATO countries had a food embargo on Bangladesh, common man a country which was just newly formed and is endangered by famines you simply don't put food embargo on them
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ahh ... The Mongol Empire. Don't ask me why.

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The American empire.
Hyongnim we seem to agree on certain points. Maybe we know each other from a previous life - are you a Kim hae Kim?
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US and all other NATO countries had a food embargo on Bangladesh, common man a country which was just newly formed and is endangered by famines you simply don't put food embargo on them
Rubbish! You obviously don't know how NATO works. It is a military alliiance that until 2001 had never operated outside of the North Atlantic and European area.
The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA placed a food embargo on Bangladesh to "punish" it for trading with Cuba. Britain certainly did not, neither did Canada.
A European country announcing a food embargo against a country except in time of war would be out of office within the week-1919 and 1945 have not been forgotten.
No other NATO country is anal about Cuba and Britain, Canada, Germany and Spain at least trade freely with the country and have done since 1959
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The geatest empire would have been sumer or pre-Sumerian...Greek culture was built upon the Sumerian ideals and myths...sumer gave us the wheel(invented to streamline pottery production), writing, the infantry phalynx, and agriculture. they are also acredittEd with cities and the firdt concept of government and changing the physical world to suit people. I.e. irrigation, agriculture and aquaducts.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 11:27 AM   #530
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Exclamation How can the Third Reich not be the greates Empire that has ever existed?


I am not saying that the ideologies are right but I think it should gain some respect by getting almost all of its land (except for Czechoslovakia and Austria) by force and strength of the army. The German III Reich had the capability to fight and win a victory against the Soviet Union if timed correctly. Call me when the British Empire had the strength to declare war on almost all big powers of the world and almost win the fight. Of course I am a little biased but seriously one should look at the numbers and facts. The III Reich was the greatest Empire that ever Existed...
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