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View Poll Results: Most powerful empire that ever existed?
Roman Empire 108 31.49%
Ottoman Empire 17 4.96%
Mongol Empire 28 8.16%
Spanish Empire 3 0.87%
Napoleon Empire 9 2.62%
Qing Empire 7 2.04%
Imperalist Japan 0 0%
Portuguese Empire 2 0.58%
Third Reich 8 2.33%
British Empire 109 31.78%
Soviet Union - USSR 13 3.79%
Dutch Empire 0 0%
Byzantine Empire 5 1.46%
Italian Empire 0 0%
Swedish Empire 1 0.29%
Other Empire (mention) 33 9.62%
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Old November 19th, 2012, 07:00 PM   #531

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I think the poll plainly shows that it is indeed the British Empire.

The numbers are undeniable and the fact that the worlds language of commerce is indeed English proves it.
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I think the poll plainly shows that it is indeed the British Empire.

The numbers are undeniable and the fact that the worlds language of commerce is indeed English proves it.
The British Empire previous to WW2 must of course be considered as the most powerful ever, but hardly for the language or any poll

BTW, please note that absolute majority was plainly not reached by the BE in this poll; just 33.76% (one third) of the votes.



For the record, why exactly is this nice thread in the Speculative (Alternative) History Forum?
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Roman Empire..
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If the USSR is present in this poll, then USA should be too. I mean, they were the two big powers of their time. And although USA doesn't have such a big territory as the USSR did they have a lot more of influence in the whole world. They are the world police and they can do whatever they want. The USSR never could do this because they were not the only superpower in the world, they shared this title with the USA. But now that the USSR doesn't exist anymore, USA has more power than no other country or empire in history.

Anyways, I voted for the Romans, because they were like the USA, but 2000 years ago, when most of the world we know wasn't "discovered yer".
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If the USSR is present in this poll, then USA should be too. I mean, they were the two big powers of their time. And although USA doesn't have such a big territory as the USSR did they have a lot more of influence in the whole world. They are the world police and they can do whatever they want. The USSR never could do this because they were not the only superpower in the world, they shared this title with the USA. But now that the USSR doesn't exist anymore, USA has more power than no other country or empire in history.

Anyways, I voted for the Romans, because they were like the USA, but 2000 years ago, when most of the world we know wasn't "discovered yer".
The point is that the OP is not asking for the "most powerful nation" but for the "most powerful empire".

The issue then would be if the US is actually any empire to begin with.

Personally, as explained elsewhere in this same thread, I tend to disagree.
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Roman Empire, it has to be, especially when Emperors like Julius Caesar were on the throne.
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Roman Empire, it has to be, especially when Emperors like Julius Caesar were on the throne.
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Caius Julius Caesar was never an emperor (unless you may be talking about Augustus)
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While not large in terms of land area ...the wealth and power enjoyed by Chinese Emperors certainly counts. We are all fortunate that Chinese philosophy has never valued expansionism. Here is a small demonstration of the time before China closed up shop and retreated from the world.

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Chinese records[43] state that Zheng He's fleet sailed as far as East Africa. According to medieval Chinese sources, Zheng He commanded seven expeditions. The 1405 expedition consisted of 27,800 men and a fleet of 62 treasure ships supported by approximately 190 smaller ships.[44][45] The fleet included:
"Treasure ships" (宝船, Bǎo Chuán), used by the commander of the fleet and his deputies (nine-masted, about 127 metres (416 ft) long and 52 metres (170 ft) wide), according to later writers[citation needed]. This is more or less the size and shape of a football field.[46][47]
Equine ships (馬船, Mǎ Chuán), carrying horses and tribute goods and repair material for the fleet (eight-masted, about 103 m (339 ft) long and 42 m (138 ft) wide).[46]
Supply ships (粮船, Liáng Chuán), containing staple for the crew (seven-masted, about 78 m (257 ft) long and 35 m (115 ft) wide).[46]
Troop transports (兵船, Bīng Chuán), six-masted, about 67 m (220 ft) long and 25 m (83 ft) wide.[46]
Fuchuan warships (福船, Fú Chuán), five-masted, about 50 m (165 ft) long.[46]
Patrol boats (坐船, Zuò Chuán), eight-oared, about 37 m (120 ft) long.[46]
Water tankers (水船, Shuǐ Chuán), with 1 month's supply of fresh water.[46]
Six more expeditions took place, from 1407 to 1433, with fleets of comparable size.[48]
If the accounts can be taken as factual, Zheng He's treasure ships were mammoth ships with nine masts, four decks, and were capable of accommodating more than 500 passengers, as well as a massive amount of cargo. Marco Polo and Ibn Battuta both described multi-masted ships carrying 500 to 1000 passengers in their translated accounts.[49] Niccolò Da Conti, a contemporary of Zheng He, was also an eyewitness of ships in Southeast Asia, claiming to have seen 5 masted junks weighing about 2000 tons.[50] There are even some sources that claim some of the treasure ships might have been as long as 600 feet.[51][52] On the ships were navigators, explorers, sailors, doctors, workers, and soldiers along with the translator and diarist Gong Zhen.
Even the British Empire of the middle 19th Century does not match up to these fleets.
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While not large in terms of land area ...the wealth and power enjoyed by Chinese Emperors certainly counts. We are all fortunate that Chinese philosophy has never valued expansionism. Here is a small demonstration of the time before China closed up shop and retreated from the world.

Even the British Empire of the middle 19th Century does not match up to these fleets.
I should suggest that ships of these dimensions would have broken apart. Even using steel bracing in the 19thC, no wooden ship of more than 100M length lasted long, almost all fell apart. The ships may well have existed as static floating displays of imperial wealth and grandeur on the Yangtze, but seagoing ships were likely to have been much, much smaller--probably a quarter size.
The reproduction of Zheng He's treasure ship beig built in China, using modern stressed components, will be just 72M long, it is so far four years behind schedule.
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I should suggest that ships of these dimensions would have broken apart. Even using steel bracing in the 19thC, no wooden ship of more than 100M length lasted long, almost all fell apart. The ships may well have existed as static floating displays of imperial wealth and grandeur on the Yangtze, but seagoing ships were likely to have been much, much smaller--probably a quarter size.
The reproduction of Zheng He's treasure ship beig built in China, using modern stressed components, will be just 72M long, it is so far four years behind schedule.
To the contrary, the Romans were known to have built gigantic vessels of tremendous size. The Chinese could also have done so. It has more to do with the methods of construction, a vessel's shape and the distribution of mass as to how viable and floatable any object can actually be. Plus, taking into consideration how water born stresses are tranferred thru and born by any ship's design.
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