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Old December 14th, 2012, 11:06 PM   #141

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As a Canadian, I would say not much would be different, but I think that our economy might be worse, and we might have much more environmental damage and pollution.

Maybe our navy would be stronger:
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I think the biggest cultural difference in Canada is that in the US many are brought up to distrust and fear their fellow citizens and even neighbours illogically. The main reason Americans own guns is to protect them from other people; in Canada, no one owns guns for that purpose - many own guns for marksmanship or collection purposes; if anyone owns a gun for protection, it is to fire off in the air when too many artic wolves or polar bears are around, as that can be a problem for a lot of us.

But yeah, we're not different aside from those points. We're practically America Junior, except you may be surprised to learn we are actually a Monarchy rather than a Democracy. We are ruled by King Harper of the Hohenzollern dynasty. He has a giant mace which he uses to discipline those who become a little rowdy, it hurts to get hit by it, as one smash by it can easily shatter your arm. So it is best to stay in line.

Like the US, many Canadians have a problem with the French, although have taken a different approach... You might have heard the Godfather quote "keep your friends closer and your enemies closer?" Well Canada does just that, there are about 9 million of the toughest French people in the world located right in Canada; and for some reason, they haven't taken up arms and conquered the country, because lord knows our navy certainly wouldn't be able to stop them!

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Old December 14th, 2012, 11:11 PM   #142

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To me, there is little difference between us until you look at crime rates and national healthcare. Canadians are definitely ahead of us in these areas.
Not that much:

Canada Murder Rate: 1.6 per 100,000 (556 deaths)
U.S.A. Murder Rate: 4.2 per 100,000 (12,996 deaths)

Below is the murder rate (homicide rate per 100,000) for various countries:


The average global rate is 6.9 per 100,000 (2010).
India: 3.4
British Virgin Islands: 8.6
Costa Rica: 10.0
Russia: 10.2
Peru: 10.3
Paraguay: 11.5
Mexico: 16.9
Greenland: 11.0
Brazil: 21.0
Puerto Rico: 26.2
Colombia: 33.4
U.S. Virgin Islands: 39.2
Venezuela: 45.1
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Old December 14th, 2012, 11:26 PM   #143

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Not that much:

Canada Murder Rate: 1.6 per 100,000 (556 deaths)
U.S.A. Murder Rate: 4.2 per 100,000 (12,996 deaths)
That's a surprise
Canada has a higher murder rate than the UK (1.2)
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I think that quite a bit would change. Being Canadian, the change that I would notice most if we joined the US would be in the loss of our universal health care. American law and politics are also pretty different. A big difference in the two countries' cultures though is their view on languages and foreign cultures. I haven't been to the US that much, but I get the impression that Americans expect their immigrants to adopt to American culture more than Canadians expect their immigrants to adopt. The US is rather like a melting pot of many different cultures, but Canada is more like a mosaic. Multiculturalism I think is a much bigger value in Canada.

Internationally, I guess not too much would change because both countries take the same stance on a lot of issues, but we (Canadians) have taken our own decisions as well.
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The unsubstantiated claims that Obama is a Muslim are not expressed with positive intent.
Par for the course in running for the Presidency. No opponent is going to express the positive feature of one another. Campaigning 101.

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While i am not familiar with the religion of each person the point was electing a Muslim to the highest office in a particular government. Senators, ambassadors, and those in the military are not at the top of their respective food-chains but Mayors, Govenors, Presidents, etc. are.
Still not relevant. Demographic wise to the population as a whole, once Muslims increase past 15 to 20 million in number is when i think we will start seeing more representation in governance on their part.

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I guess i am just one of the few who entertains the idea of taming the barbarian savages to the south (gosh that sounds like a 19th century slavery comment). IF the idea of taming the barbaian Americans and making them part of Canada is so unappealing to well-read Canadians why would said Canadians entertain the idea of becoming barbarians themselves?
It is a subjective bias view some Canadians hold toward US citizens. Actually both nationalities harbor people whose views are biased towards both countries. Persoanlly, i don't see that much difference between the normal everyday US "citizen" is not that much different then a Canadian "subject", except as quoted and in minor differences in politics. Also, there is the numbers. 310 million citizens to 35 million subjects, or nine times the population size.

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This reminds me of something else. The language. In Canadian English there is no "h" following an "O" unless there is punctuation following the word. "Oh" is a spelling mistake in Canadian but is correct in American. It would be "O the horror." in Canadian. Canadian English also includes punctuation within quotation marks only when it is part of what is being quoted.
"Oh the horror," he exclaimed at the thought of ObamaCare.
"O the horror", she exclaimed at the thought of Harper getting a majority government.
The way i understand it, this is due to Canada wanting to have it's own distinctive language by retaining British language and complimenting it with American Englsh.

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Han's Island and such. Yes. If Canada acquired the USA then the USA's then-former claims of it being international waters would be moot. The north pole is in Canada, isn't it, so that would mean Santa Claus is a Canadian terrorist waging war against American retail outlet malls. It would also mean that the Canadian government has been using its military to track at least one of its citisens for decades before such came to light in the USA.
Canadians are only worried about the US making this an international waters claim?! Canada isn't worried about duking it out with all the other powers that are looking to the arctic as a nice place to make their own resource claims at the expense of Canada? Okay, whatever.

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You have never heard of The Sopranos? It is a show from HBO about a mob family in New Jersey that was extremely popular when it was new. In the US it was on premium cable and in Canada it was on network broadcast television. There is no way the show would ever be on ABC or CBS without being heavily edited. But it was shown on CTV with the editing being to insert commercial breaks. The profanity, nudity, and violence was retained. $#!+ My Dad Says is a failed comedy that was on CBS but was also the number 1 new show of that season in Canada.
No, no, no. Of course i've heard of these shows. What i hadn't heard of were the Canadian shows.

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If the US electoral college's members voted based on the popular vote within their respective states rather than it being a winner-gets-all-EC-votes system it might actually be something closer to democracy. As it exists now it essentially makes the individual's vote nearly worthless but it does make predicting the winner extremely easy. Some of those beloved founding fathers really didn't want the masses having a say in who was in charge and the EC is somewhat a buffer for those who voted for the wrong person.
I can't say that a possible reform in the electoral college won't be in the cards at some point in the future.

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I would rather my head of state be Charles III than any of the Bush family. Jeb will probably try for the 2016 election.
Just to give you a heads up, i know it is your personal view that's shared by 80% of the world, but comments like this tend to politicize a thread (post 91') and also has the potential to start a flame war really quick and is a big no-no on the forum.

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Forget maple burgers. I think most Americans would be convinced to join in a Union on Canadians terms solely for your beer
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Old December 15th, 2012, 03:36 PM   #146

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I haven't been to the US that much, but I get the impression that Americans expect their immigrants to adopt to American culture more than Canadians expect their immigrants to adopt. The US is rather like a melting pot of many different cultures, but Canada is more like a mosaic. Multiculturalism I think is a much bigger value in Canada.
Immigration is labeled differently in the US and Canada, but at least when I was there, it was literally the exact same thing.
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Apparently talk of politics is a no-no here despite the subject of this thread so ... edited.

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The unsubstantiated claims that Obama is a Muslim are not expressed with positive intent. While i am not familiar with the religion of each person the point was electing a Muslim to the highest office in a particular government. Senators, ambassadors, and those in the military are not at the top of their respective food-chains but Mayors, Govenors, Presidents, etc. are.



I guess i am just one of the few who entertains the idea of taming the barbarian savages to the south (gosh that sounds like a 19th century slavery comment). IF the idea of taming the barbaian Americans and making them part of Canada is so unappealing to well-read Canadians why would said Canadians entertain the idea of becoming barbarians themselves?

This reminds me of something else. The language. In Canadian English there is no "h" following an "O" unless there is punctuation following the word. "Oh" is a spelling mistake in Canadian but is correct in American. It would be "O the horror." in Canadian. Canadian English also includes punctuation within quotation marks only when it is part of what is being quoted.
"Oh the horror," he exclaimed at the thought of ObamaCare.
"O the horror", she exclaimed at the thought of Harper getting a majority government.



Han's Island and such. Yes. If Canada acquired the USA then the USA's then-former claims of it being international waters would be moot. The north pole is in Canada, isn't it, so that would mean Santa Claus is a Canadian terrorist waging war against American retail outlet malls. It would also mean that the Canadian government has been using its military to track at least one of its citisens for decades before such came to light in the USA.

You have never heard of The Sopranos? It is a show from HBO about a mob family in New Jersey that was extremely popular when it was new. In the US it was on premium cable and in Canada it was on network broadcast television. There is no way the show would ever be on ABC or CBS without being heavily edited. But it was shown on CTV with the editing being to insert commercial breaks. The profanity, nudity, and violence was retained. $#!+ My Dad Says is a failed comedy that was on CBS but was also the number 1 new show of that season in Canada.

If the US electoral college's members voted based on the popular vote within their respective states rather than it being a winner-gets-all-EC-votes system it might actually be something closer to democracy. As it exists now it essentially makes the individual's vote nearly worthless but it does make predicting the winner extremely easy. Some of those beloved founding fathers really didn't want the masses having a say in who was in charge and the EC is somewhat a buffer for those who voted for the wrong person.

I would rather my head of state be Charles III than any of the Bush family. Jeb will probably try for the 2016 election.

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Old December 15th, 2012, 03:46 PM   #149

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I don't see how the Canadian economy would be anything but improved. I remember buying simple things like fruit and paying many times more than in the US for goods of a lower quality. The stuff is often imported from abroad whereas in the US it is made in your own country. Everything, especially technology was way more expensive in Canada and the selection was minimal. I had to buy a new computer when I lived there and decided that I would just visit the US to buy one because the prices and selection were very bad. A house that would cost 1 million in Ottawa would run me significantly (and let me stress significantly) less in Maryland. Top it off with the fact that in Maryland I make more money for the same work, am taxed less, and everything costs less while I have access to more selection. The roads and infrastructure are better (despite lower taxation). Literally every economic factor is better here.

Life in Canada has the advantage of providing guaranteed healthcare. Canada was also more peaceful. Those are the positives I gave up, but I'd be lying to say there was much else.
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Old December 15th, 2012, 03:56 PM   #150

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Has anyone else noticed that Americans tend to make fun of Candians, while Canada tends to make fun of America?
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