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Old December 26th, 2011, 07:29 AM   #1
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Holy Roman Empire vs Roman Empire (Byzantium) circa 1000 AD


Who do you think that would win?
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An actual war between these empires, or a hypothetical clash between a typical army belonging to each?
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A battle with all the available human resources!
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Old December 26th, 2011, 10:29 AM   #4
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This is actually an interesting synchronous scenario.

At the time, Otto III & Basil II were both quite active expansionist rulers; however, they seemed to have been mostly friendly to each other, as a part of an atypically relatively stable system of alliances all along central & eastern Europe, including such energetic monarchs as the Polish Boleslaw I, the Hungarian Stephen I and the Kievan Vladimir I; each one of these feudal rulers had essentially their own sphere of imperialistic influence.

IMHO both contenders would have been basically evenly matched, and the outcome of any clash would have depended mostly on its geographical location and the attitude of third powers.
Even so, I would think Basil II would have tended to ultimately have the upper hand.
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Agree with Sylla here.

If we were to speculate where a battle might take place might help answer it, but thats adding in more facotrs. Essentially, is this say a HRE force moving down the danube and engaging the Byzantines in the Balkans or the reverse. The the whole logistics issue migh be a determinative facort for either side. But if we are speaking of a hypothetical perfect flat battlefield in perfection conditions that only exist for these scenarios.....then I think its very close to call.
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Pound by pound, HRE vs Byz:

*Territory: 0.8 million km2 / 1 million km2
*Population: 7 million / 10 million
*Revenues (yearly): ? / 22,500 kgs of gold
*Army: 50,000 / 150,000
*Navy: ? / 240 warships

The most likely scenario is Southern Italy, where both states were nearly at war during the Otto II invasion of 980-982. However, the german Emperor was defeated by the arabs
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Old December 26th, 2011, 02:41 PM   #7
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I think Byzantium (original Roman Empire) would have a pretty good chance to beat the "fake" German "Roman" Empire.
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