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Old November 26th, 2012, 06:25 PM   #491

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This is the only image available of that coat of arms.

I enlarged it, but nothing special shows up.

I guess you are right: it's a trick of the light.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 02:55 AM   #492

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Freemasonry again:


The OLB letter sheet in the original MS:
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see the OLB letter for -G- ... (see Ottema's letter sheet). Cornelis Over de Linden (see original - brown- sheet) made a mistake, and instead of writing a mirrored -D- he almost wrote a capital G.

-G- / -D- is short for GOD.


Ottema added the letter for -GS- , but still forgot about the letter -W- which does show up many times in the OLB, and is a true letter, not a double -V- .


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Sorry Vrank ,i dont always want to disagree with you, but i think the 9th letter is the w , you can just faintly see the line in the middle in the run scrift ........anciently i think it was pronounced oo or ou , and that is why it follows the vowels , maybe it was included as a vowel, in these earlier times.

Also regarding the D and the G mix up , the other possibility here is of course , that he nearly transcribed it as the GS sign, and not as a capital G

depending what our belief is about OLB, we all tend to put a little bit of spin in favour of our own opinion.....but i think both these possibilities are valid .
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No, Ib, that's not a -W- but a -U- with something like an Umlaut in it.

The letter sheet starts with a 2 rows of vowels, and after that come the consonants, starting with -B- .

The OLB really does use the letter -W-. You can see the name "Wralda" around the Yule wheel just below the misshapen letter -G- :

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If it were two -V-s, then the name Wralda would consist 7 of instead of 6 letters, like VVralda.

I agree with you on that socalled mistake: someone wanted to write the letter for --GS- instead of the letter for -G- .
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Old November 28th, 2012, 07:36 AM   #494

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Ok then Vrank on that page 46 , the word M(W)ge , how do you think , are we supposed to pronounce that letter , and word,.......and what does it mean in english ? ... i admit its use is fairly rare in OLB , and it is different from the normal use of w .

i just had the impression that when it was copied when it got wet in the 13th C , the copyist could have copied them out from the yule type , to the more modern type of letter in use in his time , it is possible that it could still have been read and understood in the 13th C, and only forgotten by the 19th C......So the manusript he was copying (if its not a 19th C forgery of course) could have followed the yule lettering exactly , and therefore looked very different.


the copyist obviously must have used whatever dates the original writter had included, in order to calculate and , add the BC dates to each section,

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Also Vrank you have said there are two pages missing from the MS , but my copy of the OLB says :- after the first page of the Beedon writtings , there are at least 20 pages about Adel 3rd where he describes the doings of the king.......how they would know what the missing 20 pages contained escapes me , however .
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Ok then Vrank on that page 46 , the word M(W)ge , how do you think , are we supposed to pronounce that letter , and word,.......and what does it mean in english ? ... i admit its use is fairly rare in OLB , and it is different from the normal use of w .

i just had the impression that when it was copied when it got wet in the 13th C , the copyist could have copied them out from the yule type , to the more modern type of letter in use in his time , it is possible that it could still have been read and understood in the 13th C, and only forgotten by the 19th C......So the manusript he was copying (if its not a 19th C forgery of course) could have followed the yule lettering exactly , and therefore looked very different.


the copyist obviously must have used whatever dates the original writter had included, in order to calculate and , add the BC dates to each section,
The word is "müge" (bottom-left), and can be translated into something like 'might' (verb).

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Well, if the copyist just introduced a more modern letter, then why only that one and not for all the others?
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Old November 28th, 2012, 11:32 AM   #497

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Also Vrank you have said there are two pages missing from the MS , but my copy of the OLB says :- after the first page of the Beedon writtings , there are at least 20 pages about Adel 3rd where he describes the doings of the king.......how they would know what the missing 20 pages contained escapes me , however .
Lol, you are right: being an insomniac doesn't necessarily mean your head is clear when you didn't sleep.

In fact 22 pages are missing:

MS 169 - MS 188 are missing and MS 193 + MS 194 are missing, so in total 22 pages.

Check for yourself here:
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There are also pages missing at the end , the book is not going to have finished on a half asked question me-thinks.

you are right about the changing of the text , i was thinking more of the size of the letters ie A only being half the size of an O for instance as in the yules, i had wondered if it may have looked something like the way they transcribe sumerian text , some letters they print in lower text , and others in Capitals.

it-ta-si IGI-MIN-su lu-ak-KU-sa-ka.......Note i am only saying it may have looked like the transcriptions!.

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There are also pages missing at the end , the book is not going to have finished on a half asked question me-thinks.

you are right about the changing of the text , i was thinking more of the size of the letters ie A only being half the size of an O for instance as in the yules, i had wondered if it may have looked something like the way they transcribe sumerian text , some letters they print in lower text , and others in Capitals.

it-ta-si IGI-MIN-su lu-ak-KU-sa-ka.......Note i am only saying it may have looked like the transcriptions!.
The breaking up mid sentence at the end of the OLB is like Plato's end of his account of the war between Atlantis and Athens.

No surprise to me...

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There is no lowercase and uppercase in the OLB script.
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Do you not see what i mean though , that if the size of the letters in the yule were followed exactly , an a should be written half the size of an O, and on the bottom line , whereas v,n,m, would still be half the size of an O but on a level with the top half of the O

Really you are of the opinion the last contributor finished their section "were there people who ........."
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