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View Poll Results: would the roman empre still exist if it had maintained it's army?
Yes 1 14.29%
No . but they may have lasted longer 3 42.86%
It would have made no difference 3 42.86%
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Old April 5th, 2012, 06:22 AM   #1
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would the roman empire in the west still exist if they had never changed the army ?

my question is would the roman empire still exist had they never reformed their army after the time of ceaser. im referring to the army of the late empire. whom used rounded shields and chain mail. would they have remained an empire had rome not changed it's armies from it's square shields , plate Armour and strict army discipline. until the introduction of chivalry?

would the empire still exist?
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Old April 5th, 2012, 06:50 AM   #2

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well, no army can not change and remain victorious... and chain mails were most popular in every period of Roman empire, it is not truth that every Roman soldier did wear lorica segmentata
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Old April 5th, 2012, 06:55 AM   #3
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ok ok. lol but i want to know if rome had maintained it's great armies and traditional weaponry. if it would have lasted till the age of chivalry. then it could change.
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As all great empires do, the Romans would fall. The invasion of Europe by the Huns meant that eventually, the Huns would try to invade. After possibly a few hundred more years, the Romans would fall.
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It would fall as more and more cavalry based enemy forces were encountered,legions decreased in effectiveness.
I believe the root cause of the military downfall was the disbanding of the system of levying legions annually.Instead fixing legions into regions without a central reserve.Thus u see earlier republican armies being able to use italy's immense manpower to raise army after army after great disasters but later ones hardly having many soldiers from italy.
Also the decline of the senate was another cause,this meant generals were now loyal to one person than to their country as a whole.Revolts were far easily justifiable to their legions.
3rd was the failure to conquer germania,if they had taken germania and teutoberg hadn't happened then the empire wouldn't need to waste massive resources on holding the rhine frontier and would be generally in a superior position to handle the great migrations.
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Contrary to popular impression, Roman equipment and battle tactics remained fundamentally the same for most of Antiquity. The 'fall' of the Western provinces was not the fault of the Army.
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