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Old April 12th, 2012, 03:56 AM   #1

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Did The Boers Have any chance of winning The Second Boer War???


This happened to be one of the topics of discussion between a friend and myself, so I thought it might be good to hear everyone's take on the matter.

I am sure we are all familiar with the Anglo Boer War, if not here is a short breakdown; The Anglo Boer War was fought by Britain and her Empire against the Boers. The Boers were comprised of the combined forces of the South African Republic and the Republic of the Orange Free State. The Boer Republics declared war on 11th October 1899 and the conflict ended on 31st May 1902. Here is a link for more info: [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War"]Second Boer War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

My question is could the Boers have won??? And if so, what would have been the effect of this victory on the British Empire???
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Not likely. The Boer Republics were small in size. The British Empire was spread over 1/4 of the globe. At the most they could have lasted longer and who knows if they were able to inflict enough casualties on the British they might have sued for peace. But the changes were small. Perhaps they could have succeeded though if pro-boer countries like Germany and the Netherlands would have helped.
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Not likely. The Boer Republics were small in size. The British Empire was spread over 1/4 of the globe. At the most they could have lasted longer and who knows if they were able to inflict enough casualties on the British they might have sued for peace. But the changes were small. Perhaps they could have succeeded though if pro-boer countries like Germany and the Netherlands would have helped.
Point taken. But remember the war itself lasted from 1899 to 1902... Considering the overwhelming number of British troops that the Boers were facing, getting the war to last this long is a huge achievement on the Boers part. What if the Boers had secured a port, as they had intended to, thus allowing aid to swiftly arrive???
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THe only chance would've been to wait until 1914 then rebel. Unfortuantly the Boers didn't have physic powers.

There were small uprisings during the First World War but never anything to the extent of the Second Boer War.
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THe only chance would've been to wait until 1914 then rebel. Unfortuantly the Boers didn't have physic powers.

There were small uprisings during the First World War but never anything to the extent of the Second Boer War.
I do think If the Boers had pushed quickly to secured the ports at the Cape Colony and Natal they might of had a serious shot of winning. Simply because it would have made it very difficult for the British to bring in troops from their other colonies, as they had to do.

You are right about the uprising though, I am impressed at how much South African history you know. However, it was not small, and it was due to many Boers not wanting South Africa to get involved in the first World War...
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...My question is could the Boers have won??? And if so, what would have been the effect of this victory on the British Empire???
No. Next?
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the boers may have been able to retain maybe the orange free state from the rest of south africa. but they did not have a chance in beating the british overall, except in small skirmishes. the thing you must consider is british pride. a defeat by the boers meant another 200 000 british soldiers coming to south africa. it is near impossible for the boers to have secured the ports in natal and the cape. they would have had overstretched supply lines , they would have to leave a large group to defend their homes and although the boers were good. they were not superhuman. they would have been stopped at the ports which by this time would have been heavily defended. now lets say for fun they take the ports. britain will send thousands of soldiers and plenty of ships to bombard the ports. it would just be a matter of time before the boers whom would now be encamped in the ports, would be overwhelmed. the only realistic possiblity the boers may have ever had is securing a province like the orange free state and turning it into a country.
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did i say 200 000 well im just making a scenario. but it is likely the brits would have continued till their forces numbered that.
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did i say 200 000 well im just making a scenario. but it is likely the brits would have continued till their forces numbered that.
Which they did , I believe that by the end of the war the Brits had dedicated near 500 000 troops sent from every colony near South Africa to this war.
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Maybe if Germany became more directly involved, and WWI starts a decade earlier. They supplied the Boers with weaponry did they not?
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