Vintersorg

Of course, they're far too busy finding out how everything in the universe works.
The fun part about your sentence is that you say this dead-serious about science, while you're being exactly the same way: you denigrate science without even understanding the basics of science (and maths, judging from your comments in the 2012 poll thread)

Oh no, facts and scientific rules! oh, the horror! What have facts and scientific rules ever given to us?
You know, except 95% of our modern civilisation.
Except for that, they were totally useless!

No actually, the important words were logic and facts.


See, misconceptions is the keyword here.
Actually, the fact that they were totally insane was probably even more defining.
AS for Nazi science, were you per chance referrring to fun things such as the Ahnenerbe? The Glacial Cosmonogy theory? the Tibet expedition?
That's not science, but...mysticism and Occultism.

No, they have a gross intolerance of pseudo-scientists and people who trample upon years of research with insane theories.

Yes, because we all know great men like Stephen Hawking and Pythagoras are/were nazi's in disguise.

No, they sacrificed their humanity working for an insane regime.

I'm sure that stuff like the Holocaust was really not done by the scientists.

Yes, it's called "research" and "facts"

Yes, because we regularly see scientists forcing people at gunpoint to accept their theories.


I already dread what I'm about to read...

I bet it's "let's ignore each other"!
Please, tell me that's what you are going to say.

What you actually said is "the two systems are not incompatible, but they're incompatible".

Utterly wrong...both conceps are steered by both parts of the brain./ When one side of the brain starts to fail, the other takes over.


No, we just need to keep them as far away from each other as humanly possible.

Zarin

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Is the brain a physical thing? We assume it does have aspects of physical reality. But what is physical reality? Especially, if our interpretation and experience with reality is solely determined by this unique device. The brain can die and cease to function properly. But what is thought? Is it merely a coalescing of matter and energy in some complex unknown chemical electro-magnetic processes? How do we realize we are ourselves? What is the component of the brain that is aware of the self? Something has to be aware here. Is this an illusion or another form of physicality? How do we truly determine which? And what is illusion anyway? Any magician will tell you that any illusion they can create is is done in a way in which the manner the brain processes information is bypassed. Sleight of hand or misperception. That the brain can be deceived by what is called illusion. All magical acts are a disruption of time/space perception by our brains. If the perception of time/space can be externally disrupted, there may be an agency or process within the brain that can move into or outside time/space, existing outside the physical parameters of the present and move into perceptions of the future. Maybe all of what we perceive as reality is really all an illusion. All experience is actually secondary as the brain has to first process any information from our senses and these take various increments of time, depending on each sense. How much it takes information from each sense to be processed. And where. So time has to be considered as an important component of experiencing reality. Plus this information has to be processed through the complex stratification of our entire life experience (including the 9 months in the womb) including that which we have "learned" to believe ( which often may act as a limitation) and that which we refuse to believe or recognize at levels our brains have constructed the deepest protections against. And this is an ongoing process. The constructs of personality.
Anything the brain perceives is one we only assume is real? The spirit may actually be what really processes and interprets all experience and may be the true central component of this process. That the spirit is the only true reality.

Try the word imaginative thinking. It will free you from such categorical word limitations such as "magic." Open up your universe. It is actually infinite in both its' reality and its' potential. Far beyond anything we may ever be able to imagine and full of many surprises.
Humans can gravitate to moral explanations for some extremely ghastly concepts. The Aztecs once sacrificed 20,000 people to dedicate their great Temple at Tenochtitlan. The Roman Catholic Church murdered millions over its intolerance. America once sacrificed 150,000 Japanese to shorten and win a war. In October 1962, millions of people could have died over the misguided politics of two confronting nations. This danger has only just begun and we are now entering a very dangerous age of inevitable nuclear terrorism. The German government murdered 6,000,000 people out of hate, ignorance and bigotry. Whose motives do you consider the most moral? If nuclear war had occurred in 1962 would this have been the consequence of any form of moral posture or just simple stupidity?

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Testament to belief systems and their power. Don't ever underestimate the reality of belief. Nor the danger of disturbing such. Which science greatly under estimates, especially when it comes to itself.


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Which I would be the last person to ever want to take from you. As long as you have an open mind, the creative potential universe will open to you.
My purpose in this life is to open people's minds to this greater universe, the one which science wishes to eliminate by hoping to find an answer to everything. Without, itself, realizing that every answer only creates two more questions. And that in some arenas of the human experience the wrong questions are being asked. And that in certain areas, the questions may not be possible to be asked. Nor do they need to be.

Science has its' own bias, as this is impossible to remove from human politics, business or any human experience. The dangers or mistakes some psychic or clairvoyant may pose to any freely choosing individual do not compare to the dangers science is creating. Whereby billions might be affected by any one of their miscalculations or mistakes.
Let me ask you this Rasta. Do you truly believe that there will be no consequences to human health, embryos, the planetary ecosphere, planetary life, our brains or our genomes from the ever growing bath of electro-magnetic energy, which we are willingly but unknowingly surrounding ourselves with? Radio waves, micro waves, television broadcast, satellites, cell phone and power line radiation.

Science and the demands of business in co-operation with science have assisted in these exterminations. Although some scientists do realize the danger, politicians fund most scientific research and there are many scientists too cowardly to speak up or the government tit will dry up. Knowing a reality doesn't mean you are forced to accept it, either.
I am not against education of any kind. But you ideas about "reality" may be quite different from what many others believe. The Nazis had an idea of reality as well as do certain evangelicals, the radical Moslems and other radical groups. It is true all life begins and ends. However, with humans it is what we place within the journey that makes all the difference. Knowledge is a matter of both vanity and perspective. There are peoples living on this planet exactly as they have for thousands of years. If any people are most likely to survive the dangers of the modern world, it is these primitive, but well adapted, isolated groups.
Most of us are going to be running around like chickens with their heads cut off, if any major disaster strikes. Or joining into ruthless packs in order to survive. And no matter where you look, it won't be pretty.

BadgerJelly

Zarin you are a ignorant

"Is the brain a physical thing?"

"My purpose in this life is to open people's minds to this greater universe, the one which science wishes to eliminate by hoping to find an answer to everything."

You obviously have no idea what science is let alone how to apply. Learn or stop your nonsense ... for some reason I think you are incapable of either. You can play all "I am open peoples minds" card but the simply fact is I have inquired with you before and you either deem me unworthy or you just actually have nothing you wish to share.

Creativity is a great thing that is how our understanding progresses. You are simply a child who thinks they understand so much because you have discovered one self hypnotic trick but sadly you are blissfully unaware of the possibility that we may may know a few more tricks than you and be self aware of them.

Sorry if this is cutting but maybe it will help you in some way. I tried the softly softly approach now I thought I may as well try to just say it as it is after this though GL hope you are happy either way and hope you are taken by reality (whatever that may be).

Note: I have studied magick, physics, history and more than anything else I have always been interested in why people believe in strange things. Unfortunately you have been sucked into your own mythology by studying others and losing perspective. Magick exists it has just been misinterpreted as has many things to form religions and political movements. When you die you are gone anything else is wishful egotistical thinking ... its still a beautiful universe though and we are nature so smile

Zarin

I am not going to comment on this incoherent rant and obviously personal attack, whatsoever.

Zarin

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I do not denigrate science. I just do not trust it, nor do I believe it can or even should try to explain everything. I do not denigrate religion either. However, I do not trust it as well. Moreover, there is a big difference between spirituality and religion. A distinction I make every single day.
The Nazis were very good scientists, arguably the world's best of their time; but they, in their failed search for scientific knowledge; failed to get in touch with the value of human life and to take responsibility for their destructive inventions. A problem with many scientists, that is accepting responsibility for what the create. The Catholic Church and many other religions have shown this same disreguard for both freedom and human life. So you can have your choice of which type of dictatorship you prefer. But if and when freedom to think is at stake, I choose neither.


Pollution, nuclear weapons, biological weapons, chemical weapons, huge delivery systems for such weapons, exorbitant amounts of material for all these systems of death. Science has also provided imperfect industrial processes, physical engineering and many imperfect devices to provide all these wonders of the modern age. Not to mention technological dangers(chemical additives, electro-magnetic radiation from multiple directions, faulty medicines, etc., etc. etc.) not yet realized. Yet science refuses to accept responsibility for this ongoing capacity to fail.

No the important word to the vast majority of humans is deadly. Especially when it strikes near and dear. Fortunately, the vast majority of humanity has yet to taste the failures of science. But such a taste in coming and it is inevitable.



I never make any references to Nazi occultism. That is because there were a few Germans such as Hannessen, who paid with their lives for their prophetic potential. As well as many gypsies.
No one seriously believes that the Nazis had any real interest in spirituality of any kind. They only used such for political and propaganda purposes.And you would be a fool to believe otherwise.

unclefred

Mural found on walls a first for a Maya dwelling; Painted numbers reflect calendar reaching well beyond 2012

The project scientists say that despite popular belief, there is no sign that the Maya calendar -- or the world -- was to end in the year 2012, just one of its calendar cycles. "It's like the odometer of a car, with the Maya calendar rolling over from the 120,000s to 130,000," said Anthony Aveni, professor of astronomy and anthropology at Colgate University, a coauthor of the Science paper. "The car gets a step closer to the junkyard as the numbers turn over; the Maya just start over."

Rasta

Besides, if the Mayan calendar could accurately predict major calamity, you would think it would have ended in the 1600s.

BadgerJelly

You just did though

It was not an attack it was a statement. You deem it as an attack because I am questioning your sense of reality. For someone who preaches imagination you seem lacking in it yourself. All you do is put up walls of reality I guess you just prefer comfort to challenge.

You are arrogant in your ignorance accept it. Basically we all are because we are human. Those that appreciate their own ignorance are wiser for it.

I recommend again for you to study neurology then you will be able to back up and understand what you are saying with real clarity and maybe you could even offer something to the field for all I know?

You can ignore my suggestions if you wish I am just trying to offer you something of interest. Just because my words can be cutting doesn't mean I am being dismissive. In fact opposition is of great benefit to develop the imagination. Almost everything is an illusion really and that is a scary thought for most people and one they chose to ignore.

Believe it or not I do respect you otherwise I would not say a single word. Humility or arrogance is your choice to a degree.

Vintersorg

So, how does it feel to be on the receiving end of an Ad Hominem?
I don't agree with Badger saying things like that to anybody, but you've done far worse in the past. (I remember you've called another member an "anus", and you've at least once called somebody here a "dog").

I hope it does teach you to be a little friendlier towards people in a debate

unclefred

Nice!