what happens when 2 NATO countries go into war against èach other? - Historum

**infestør** · May 4th, 2012, 12:34 PM

is there a clause about the ramifications in NATO agreement? did this ever happen?

**DreamWeaver** · May 4th, 2012, 12:37 PM

Assumedly such organisation as NATO would attempt to stop it before it go to such a situation.

Mangas Coloradas · May 4th, 2012, 01:00 PM

Considering Turkey and Greece that's an interesting question. I think politics would kick in and tremendous pressure would be applied to the malcontents and it wouldn't go far. This Euro crisis can make you wonder about some aspects of NATO.

There are rules written about this in the treaty.

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**infestør** · February 2nd, 2013, 04:26 PM

i think it's pretty vague. i haven't read all the articles but this one seemed like somewhat of an answer:

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ARTICLE 8

Each Party declares that none of the international engagements now in force between it and any other of the Parties or any third State is in conflict with the provisions of this Treaty, and undertakes not to enter into any international engagement in conflict with this Treaty.

meaning: don't do it, otherwise the ramifications are unknown?

**Spartacuss** · February 2nd, 2013, 04:36 PM

My guess is the aggressor, upon refusal to cease, would be expelled and therefor a legitimate target for operations to force cessation of offenses.

**Solidaire** · February 2nd, 2013, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by infestør

is there a clause about the ramifications in NATO agreement? did this ever happen?

That's an interesting question, but I suppose that the US would stop any conflict before escalating. Clauses and treaties are of secondary importance compared to realpolitik.

The only members of NATO that have issues with each other are Greece and Turkey. NATO allows a peculiar 'cold war', with frequent mock dogfights, to go on for decades in the Aegean and the airspace above it, like a master would allow two of his best-trained dogs to bark at each other; it promotes training, fighting spirit, and -above all- good sales of military equipment, lots and lots of it. But when things get more serious, he intervenes and yanks them apart.

During the Imia crisis of 1996, Greece and Turkey were heading to war, full speed. It was the US intervention that cooled things down and maintained peace.

During the Turkish invasion of Cyprus, 1974, allied NATO soldiers (Turks and Greeks) did fight each other, although their countries did not go to war (Cyprus has never been a NATO member). Shortly after, Greece left the military branch of NATO in protest for the invasion, to rejoin in 1980.

**infestør** · February 2nd, 2013, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Solidaire

That's an interesting question, but I suppose that the US would stop any conflict before escalating. Clauses and treaties are of secondary importance compared to realpolitik.

The only members of NATO that have issues with each other are Greece and Turkey. NATO allows a peculiar 'cold war', with frequent mock dogfights, to go on for decades in the Aegean and the airspace above it, like a master would allow two of his best-trained dogs to bark at each other; it promotes training, fighting spirit, and -above all- good sales of military equipment, lots and lots of it. But when things get more serious, he intervenes and yanks them apart.

During the Imia crisis of 1996, Greece and Turkey were heading to war, full speed. It was the US intervention that cooled things down and maintained peace.

During the Turkish invasion of Cyprus, 1974, allied NATO soldiers (Turks and Greeks) did fight each other, although their countries did not go to war (Cyprus has never been a NATO member). Shortly after, Greece left the military branch of NATO in protest for the invasion, to rejoin in 1980.

then i guess it's uncle sam who decides what's gonna happen according to realpolitik and his interests.

Διογένης · February 2nd, 2013, 05:52 PM

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then i guess it's uncle sam who decides what's gonna happen according to realpolitik and his interests.

USA betrayed Greece and supported a non-Christian country.

Shame on the US and the EU for supporting an Islamic,military 'Republic'.

KUZGUN · February 2nd, 2013, 08:59 PM

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with frequent mock dogfights

There aren't many dogfights between two countries these days, because aerial dick waving is too expensive for both sides.

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and -above all- good sales of military equipment, lots and lots of it.

We are trying hard to establish an indigenous defence industry. Already 50% of what we buy is Turkish and hopefully in 10-15 years it will be close to 70%. In the mean time Greece keeps buying expensive toys from US, Germany and France. You are doing it wrong mate.

**Solidaire** · February 3rd, 2013, 02:50 AM

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There aren't many dogfights between two countries these days, because aerial dick waving is too expensive for both sides.

True, one of the few positives of the crisis.

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We are trying hard to establish an indigenous defence industry. Already 50% of what we buy is Turkish and hopefully in 10-15 years it will be close to 70%. In the mean time Greece keeps buying expensive toys from US, Germany and France. You are doing it wrong mate.

You are right again, we're definitely doing it wrong.