WeisSaul

Let's suppose that the 1898 Spanish American war stays a mostly Atlantic/Caribbean conflict. The US takes Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Spanish Guinea and Secratary Roosevelt pushes for a US purchase of Dominica (which wanted to join the US) and both Virgin Isles the same year for the war effort and greater American security.

The Philippines, Mariannas, Carolines, and Marshalls are all left to Spain who sells them to Germany.

With a German dominated west Pacific, the US takes all of Samoa at the triparte convention.

How does this affect future international and internal politics, WW1, and WW2?

dagul

With that situation, I suppose that Japan could be the American ally since it shall be fighting Germany as the European colonial power in the Pacific, and must be the power that challenged the U.S. after the Cold War and Soviet Russia will likely act like China. Still, the victors shall be the U.S. and the U.K. and instead of Soviet Russia, it'll be Japan that shall be the achrival of the U.S.

Pearl Harbor would had been bombed by German Luftwaffe.

okamido

Germany was too far away to have been able to hold the PI.

dagul

That is correct, but on the assumption of the thread that it colonized the Philippines, the way Spain held it, and the U.K. controlled Malaysia.

For sure, Germany will lost the war, so, if that's the case Japan being the ally of the U.S. the Philippines for sure will be under its control, so we shall study Bushido instead of Jeffersonian schools of thoughts? What a waste of our civilization. I don't like suicide as an expression of bravery, and it's rubbish as compared to the gems of the rule of law.

Lawnmowerman

I had thought of this previously.

WWI German Phillipines invaded by Japanese and Australian forces. Australians take the Southern Phillipines with relative easy. The Japanese become bogged down in Mannila with heavy casualties, the seige of Mannila lasts several months, the Japanese refuse Australian help with the seige, wanting this to acheive victory on their own to gain international aclaim. After 5 months Mannila finaly sucumbs to the Japanese and surrenders after thousands of casualyies on both sides. The German commander is given congratulated by the Japanese and him and his men are treated exceptionaly well by the Japanese. At Versailles the Phillipines are given to Australia, this infuriates the Japaneses, they respect the treaty and withdraw.

Fast forward to WW2, with no American naval base threatening their expansion south the Japanese don't attack Pearl Harbour instead they focus their attacks on the British and Dutch assests in the Pacific. The Australians in the Phillipines are quickly conquered and are subject to some of the worst attrocities commited during the war.

Roosevelt is furious but can not get a DOW on Japan out of congress, it isn't untill mid 1942 that he is able to get war declared on Germany, Japan declares war on the USA 5 days later.

The war in Europe ends in December 1945 when Russian and American troops meet on the Seine. Paris is devided ah-la Berlin and the majority of Europe settels down into communist rule.

Russians invades Japan in March 1946 and after feirce fighting conquers Hokkiado before the Emporer admits that the war has progressed to a situation not nessecarily in Japans favour and surrenders to the Americans.

The cold war continues but with a lot stronger Soviet block.

Hows that??? Remember this is my fantasy, if you don't like it substitute it with your own.

dagul

oh man the Philippines under communist/bushido regime. I think, if that's the case during the cold war we shall be a nation with red ninja.

WeisSaul

In the Pacific:
1898: No Triparte convention. Germany still controls all of the Bismarck Archipelago (Solomon Islands)
1905: Russo Japanese war ends with Japan controlling everything east of the Amur River, north Sakhalin, and the West Balearic Islands. Without Guam, the US has no means of influencing the peace treaty.
1910: Japan annexes Korea.
1914: WW1 Starts.
1915: Capture of Tsingtao by Japan, invasion of Luzon. Palau/Marianna Islands campaign.
1916: Capture of Manilla. Japanese push down to Visayas. Japan begins invasion of Caroline and Marshall Islands.
1917: Japanese invasion of Mindanao.
1917: United States joins WW1
1918: Australo-American Solomon Islands/New Guinea Campaign.
1918: WW1 ends. Japan gets Philippines, Mariana Islands, Palau, Caroline Islands, and Marshall Islands. North New Guinea and the Bismarck Islands go to Australia.

Due to greater Japanese involvement in the war, Japan isn't screwed over as much at Versailles.

dagul

Hey, it won't take a year to take down the Philippines in 1916.

WeisSaul

Its just Manilla (and the rest of Luzon), there still was Mindanado and Visayas where the Germans could have retreated to.

dagul

Nah, think of how the Japanese routed the Americans in just a few months in WW2, that forced MacArthur to flee and made the vow of returning to avenge.