Alturnative history: If Hitler invaded America - Page 2 - Historum

**redcoat** · July 14th, 2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillbox city

And I heard that records discovered when the allies and Soviets got to Berlin that the Norwigen heavy water lab was long abandoned.

The Germans had given up any serious attempts to build an atomic bomb by 1943, after their scientists had told them the time scale to build one, if it was possible, would be so long it would be of no use in the present war.

Cavanboy · July 14th, 2012, 10:41 AM

An alturnative history: pillbox learns how to spell alternative.

**Nemowork** · July 14th, 2012, 03:19 PM

Please, i can work in real world time, i don't work in possible theoretical millenial time!

Has anybody seen an ice age pass by?

xander.XVII · July 14th, 2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Earl_of_Rochester

Had the US not entered the war and Russia/G.B. had fallen they'd be facing luftwaffe jets, advanced u-boats and the combined Italian/French/German surface fleet. There's also the prospect of Hitler getting the a-bomb first.

German fleet was a bunch of ship well built but numerically too inferior, French Fleet had been self-sunk in 1940 (Mérs el Kebir) and definitely in 1942 (Toulon), Italian Fleet was the unique Navy which might be a threat.
But USA Navy was 10fold superior to Regia Marina, there weren't any chances for Italians to face US Nay and being victorious.

Pillbox city · July 20th, 2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cavanboy

An alturnative history: pillbox learns how to spell alternative.

I'm not a very good speller. But I have a lot of ideas for alternative history. (I made the thread on my iPhone and sometimes on the spell check it says "no suggestions found" when there should be)

pablo668 · July 20th, 2012, 06:47 PM

Lets say that Germany defeated Russia and GB, very nice but there are still a lot of problems when it comes to facing the US.

If we go by the overland route, through the USSR, across Bering straight and into Canada. It's not exactly a short trip, even cross the USSR is a hell of a long way. Canada isn't exactly small either and one would have to wonder about the road/rail infrastructure in Canada at that time.

No matter which way you cut it, if you want to attack the US of A you have a long trip ahead of you, one in which they will have plenty of warning before you get there.

Factor in the Fact that Germany would have had to devote a lot of materiel and manpower to policing her newfound conquests in Europe and can you imagine the Canadians lying down and taking any foreign army crossing their soil? Even if they are attacking the US?
So yeah, look forward to partisan activity all the way across the very long supply line.

I really can't imagine latin America pitching in trying to help either. Also there may have been Nazi/German sympathisers in the US, but I'd think the vast majority of them would have been Americans first and wouldn't have stood for any attack on their soil.

**Davidius** · July 20th, 2012, 07:37 PM

One thing the article does not address is this: If the nazis have taken all of the USSR and all of Europe, along with the control of North Africa and the middle east that this would bring, what would be the point of a war against North America? They would already have access to, and control of, vast amounts of mineral resources, food stocks and personnel.
The logistical requirement for such a campaign would be immense so why risk it? I'm sure in these circumstances a cease fire would be agreed and areas of global control and influence ratified.

TheBlessedTraitor · July 20th, 2012, 08:04 PM

Hmmm... The OP assumes Hitler has defeated the USSR... I dont think its necessarily impossible that Japan and Germany could have teamed up to take down America... I really dont think such an invasion wwould ever be feasible even in such a case. Even for Japan, supplying any invasion force would be a nightmare and probably impossible anyway. Not to mention once your on the North American continent America's resources are practically unlimited. The Axis's on the other hand...

No. Never could have happened.

hisstoryin · July 20th, 2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pablo668

can you imagine the Canadians lying down and taking any foreign army crossing their soil? Even if they are attacking the US?

That's right. Nobody attacks the US but Canada... And Japan and Mexico...

betgo · July 21st, 2012, 12:49 AM

It would be very difficult due to natural barriers, size of country, economic strength, and political system where people do not feel ruled.

Alaska, western Canada, and the northwestern US are sparcely populated, but the distances are enormous, something like 4000 kilometers from the Aleutians to Seattle.
Also, the climate in Alaska and Canada would make things difficult. Could only invade Alaska in the summer. Plus Germany would have to completely defeat the USSR to get to Siberia.

Mexico had a greivance, but not much military strength. Would only possibly ally if German army was on US or Mexican soil. The rest of Latin America might not like US hegemony, but had no great hostility to the US and a military way behind the US in technology and so on.

The South would be loyal and had little interest in seceeding again. Secession was caused by conflict over slavery and related economic issues. There were many Nazi sympathisers before the US entered the war, but they were very quiet afterwards. Doubt there would be many who would betray the US if invaded.

This would only be practical if Britain and the USSR fell. If the Axis had overwhelming material strength, they could then attack the remaining major Ally, but it would not be easy.