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Old July 26th, 2012, 10:38 AM   #1

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The cold war/post cold war: Russia and the US invasions


I'm pretty sure that any American kid living from 1945 to 1993 or now mabye dreamed about the USA invading Russia because of the ravalry between each other. I remembered doing this when I was a little kid. When I turned to a teen, I got "enlightened" sort of about Russia that they wern't "evil" or anything and that was just anti-Russian bias. (yes, I know about Regan's "evil empire" speech, and I probalbly set myself up for some bad comments.)

But let's get back on topic about the invasions:


I'll try my best to not put bias in this, just because I'm American dosen't mean I'll put something like "Oh I think the USA will kill Russia because… (bias-based reason) , or something stupid like that. I'm leaving out nukes because we know what will happen if they are used.


First: Russia invades America.
This attack will not be a smart move in the first place. Natural barriers, (rocky mountians, etc.) the Americans having higher tech weapons, not to mention the 2nd amdenment (right to bear arms) will give the Russians a hard time going throught the country. Stalin knew it hiself, "the problem invading the US is not getting past the millitary, it dealing with 80 million snipers once your there" - J Stalin. Conclusion: Russia loses, Americans win.


Second: America invades Russia.
The leaders who planned this didn't learn a lesson from Neaploean and Hitler. Russia's vast size can make them absorb vast amouts of land loss and life loss, despite the Americans having higher tech weapons, They won't defeat Russia. Why? Guerrillas. The Americans should of learned from Vietnam that you can't fight guerrillas with technology. And Russia boasts several mountian ranges and rivers and the taiga. And there are PLENTY of places for Russian Guerrillas to hide and do a sudden RPG attack on the American forces. And the supply line (dangerously long)will have constant attacks from Russian freedom fighters and I'll bet you MONEY that the supply line to the American front will have 50 land mines per mile planed by the guerrillas. Conclusion: America loses, Russians wins.


Main conclusion: the invader loses the home fighters win
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the invader in either case is not likely to win yet i feel the russians had a better chance of success in invasion then america being that its smaller. yet success for either leaves a question mark on what to do then. would the aim be to just topple the government and erect a new one in its place that is friendly to the invader. because controlling the country will be near on impossible and guerrilla war is likely to wage unceasingly, and this applies for both countries. nukes were always going to be the answer if war broke out and we all know the result that would have meant.
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the invader in either case is not likely to win yet i feel the russians had a better chance of success in invasion then america being that its smaller. yet success for either leaves a question mark on what to do then. would the aim be to just topple the government and erect a new one in its place that is friendly to the invader. because controlling the country will be near on impossible and guerrilla war is likely to wage unceasingly, and this applies for both countries. nukes were always going to be the answer if war broke out and we all know the result that would have meant.
Yes, Even dumb people will know that a major war between Russia and America will turn all of us into radioactive skeletons
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I'm pretty sure that any American kid living from 1945 to 1993 or now mabye dreamed about the USA invading Russia because of the ravalry between each other.
I rather think they didn't. It was more of a defensive stance, on both sides. As much as the west believed that the Soviet Union was about to invade at any time, so the people of the Soviet Bloc were convinced, largely from opfficial propaganda, that the west had every intention of engaging the communist world in a war.

1950's America was a somewhat paranoid place. The black americans had been enlivened and self-valued by war experience, people were singled out as communist sympathisers, the UFO phenomena was accerlerating such that even the government and military couldn't ignore it, and the world had become bear pit in which east and west played out a power struggle whilst both sides had the firepower to inflict immediate and devastating damage to the other side.
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I agree with the first poster, neither of the countries can invade other's home territory. If one country attacked directly the other, the defender would have a huge benefit on their home ground, unless the attacker has a very huge advantage on their side, for example the opponent having internal unrest or it's low on oil. These two states can only fight proxy wars, propaganda wars and different kinds of races (space race for example).
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This is better suited to the Speculative forum
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I rather think they didn't. It was more of a defensive stance, on both sides. As much as the west believed that the Soviet Union was about to invade at any time, so the people of the Soviet Bloc were convinced, largely from opfficial propaganda, that the west had every intention of engaging the communist world in a war.

But many younger kids (who at least figered out who the so called "good guys" and "bad guys") living in the USA didn't realize that it was defensive state, and they probably did not know what would happen if war did break out
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But many younger kids (who at least figered out who the so called "good guys" and "bad guys") living in the USA didn't realize that it was defensive state, and they probably did not know what would happen if war did break out
Oh we knew... most of us, anyways. Civil Defense was rather active in the early to mid cold war period. "Duck and cover" education and drills in the schools was common. I remember many short movies shown in class with themes on the dangers to our country said to be presented by the USSR and communism in general. The Cuban missile crisis brought everything to a head in instilling a real fear of "the big one" going off, at least hear in Georgia, drills in the schools and in the community at large reached a fevered pitch.
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