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Old November 14th, 2012, 09:05 PM   #21

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If the United States played the empire game with any real vigor, it could have pulled quite a chunk of land together following the Spanish-American War and the war with Mexico just before the American Civil War. That is, of course, excluding the aforementioned civil war. The prospect for such an empire only got better after the First World War in that the US survived relatively unscathed while the great European nations were mauled badly, to say the least.

Of course, I'm glad the US never pursued real imperialism. I'm not sure what implications it would have for our system of government.

The Huadenosaunee (Iroquois) could have pulled together a sizable 'empire' as well if such a notion was within their cultural understanding of warfare. They already had quite a thing going for them until the American Revolution fundamentally altered the playing field. Had the Six Nations remained neutral, or all pulled together through the conflict instead of splintering, Manifest Destiny would have faced much sterner opposition at the very least.
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Old November 16th, 2012, 10:24 PM   #22

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Had Hannibal conquered the Roman empire...
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Old November 18th, 2012, 09:20 AM   #23

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I'd love to see what the Aztecs would have done with more time.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 09:48 AM   #24
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The Chinese Empire???? Or the Roman Empire??? is this the past or prresent?
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Old August 13th, 2013, 09:02 PM   #25
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Originally Posted by General Michael Collins View Post
All of Britain? All of Ulster? France? Really? What time period?
What an exaggeration. Cnut Empire was much smaller than what you're presenting is a gross illusion. Cnut empire represented only a part of Scandinavia and England.

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The circled area under DANISH EMPIRE, that's it, no more.
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Old August 13th, 2013, 10:26 PM   #26

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Originally Posted by Sargon of Akkad View Post
So instead of debating the most powerful empire of all time, lets talk about those countries and peoples that never had a notable empire but could have done, and why they didn't.

The Spartans are, IMO, the obvious candidate for this, but if you look at their social system, there was literally no option for empire. If they had simply 'freed' the helots into a kind of peasantry, rather than slavery, and taxed them as free men to support the Spartiates, then could Sparta have actually had expansionist state policies?
The Spartan system was very poorly suited to imperialism. They need to be able to assimilate some other groups into the homoioi class; they just haven't got the manpower to hold much territory otherwise. And that's just not possible without compromising what made Sparta, Sparta. The Spartan Hegemony was about the limit of what they could achieve. They needed the help of the Persians to achieve it, and once they had it, it slipped out of their hands in less than two decades, after the Battle of Leuctra, which permanently reduced Sparta to a has-been.
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Originally Posted by Ancientgeezer View Post
The Scandinavian Empire that existed for a short time under Cnut.
It comprised England, Denmark, Norway, southern Sweden, the Northen Islands and had Scotland, Wales, Eastern Ireland and Scandinavian-ruled Normandy and Poland as vassals.
It history it fell apart after Cnut's death, but with a more centralised organisation and cohesian among Nordic people, it could well have included Rus and with the Normans, dominated Northern Europe and the Mediterranean.

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I hope you remember than when Conrad II was crowned emperor in Rome, the weak and almost powerlss king of Arles or Burgundy did homage to him as also did as the powerful king Canute of Denmark and England.

Thus Canute's "Northern Empire" was part of the Holy Roman Empire.
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Old September 18th, 2015, 07:36 PM   #28

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Originally Posted by MAGolding View Post
I hope you remember than when Conrad II was crowned emperor in Rome, the weak and almost powerlss king of Arles or Burgundy did homage to him as also did as the powerful king Canute of Denmark and England.

Thus Canute's "Northern Empire" was part of the Holy Roman Empire.
The OP (all those years ago) was on the topic of the "most powerful empire that never existed"--in other words a speculative empire that may have existed had the dice of history fallen a different way.
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Old September 18th, 2015, 07:43 PM   #29
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If Tokugawa Ieyasu had built the navy Will Adams suggested that he build, he could have conquered the Philippines and many of the Muslim Sultanates in Indonesia and laid the groundwork for colonising Australia and the west coast of North America and perhaps even conquered Peru and the Pacific side of New Spain. The Spanish had relatively few men and ships and Japan could have built the kind of economy that could have led to Japanese domination of the entire Pacific Rim.
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