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Old October 30th, 2012, 04:02 AM   #1
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Turkic- mixed Asians ruled White for 500 years. Are they military superior to Europe?

Doesn't this mean they were historically far more military superior to Europeans? I've been to the empires forums before and the members there always talk about how Europeans empires had ruled the world and that no other groups achieved this but the Turkic people have conquered just much territories in it's history like Europeans and even ruled Europe them many times before. Sure that Arabs and Mongols expanded their territory in large scale but that was all an one time glory. Turkic and Europeans had many different empires and conquered the world in different times.

The only difference is that European empires conquered more than 3/4 of the world's territories while Turkic empires conquered more than 1/2 of the world territories however Turkic people or mixed Asians people also ruled Europe for nearly 500 years and under many different empires. Europeans only got to ruled Central Asia under Russia. Could Europe have conquered like the Turkic empires if it weren't for Chinese invention gunpowder.


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"Well-preserved bodies in Xiongnu and pre-Xiongnu tombs in the Mongolian Republic and southern Siberia show both 'Mongoloid' and 'Caucasian' features[49] but are predominantly Mongoloid with some admixture of European physical stock, nonetheless the Xiongnu shared many cultural traits with their Indo-European neighbors, such as horse racing, sword worship.[50] Analysis of skeletal remains from sites attributed to the Xiongnu provides an identification of dolichocephalic Mongoloid, "

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Gokturks Gokturks
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Gokturk from Altai
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An Gokturk V-VIII AD, Kyrgyzstan
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Gokturk from Mongolia
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Avar chief :- B Papkert Cemetery
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Avar Man: Csepel
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Anthropological research has revealed few skeletons with Mongoloid-type features, although there was continuing cultural influence from the Eurasian nomadic steppe. The late Avar Period shows more hybridization resulting in higher frequencies of Europo-Mongolids.[19] Mongoloid and Euro-Mongoloid types compose about one-third of the total population of the Avar graves of the eighth century, but as more Europoid populations were conquered by the Avars, the percentage of Europoids amongst the Avars became much higher. According to Pál Lipták the early Avar anthropological material was almost exclusively Europoid in the 7th century, while grave-goods indicated Middle and Central Asian parallels.[20] On the other hand there were cemeteries dated for the 8th century that contained Mongoloid elements among others. He analysed the Avar Period population of the Danube-Tisza midland region and stated that 80% of them was of Europoid character.[20]


Seljuk Empire
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Oghuz from Western + Southern Kazakhstan.

Among the Oghuz (mainly in the steppe zone of their resettlement) dominated Mongoloid racial type. "They - wrote about the Aral Oghuz in the tenth century. Al-Masudi, - most of undersized (Turks) and they have very small eyes" [11]. Other medieval authors note poorly defined vegetation on the face and body and Ploskonos Oguz. All of this suggests Mongoloid features that were characteristic of the bulk predominantly steppe Oguz [12].

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These written sources of X-XII centuries. the physical appearance of the Oghuz confirm some paleoanthropological materials. Among the found in the Oguz-Pecheneg mounds of western Kazakhstan skulls dominate Mongoloid types with the South Siberian features. However, there are also found the skull Caucasoid and metisnogo appearance. [13]

More intensive process of ethnic assimilation is likely to take place among the Oghuz south-western regions of Central Asia. Quite a few, but very interesting in this respect craniological material is located in southern Kazakhstan. In excavated ANBernshtam Oguz cemeteries Sasyk-Bulak buried dolihokrannye Caucasoids mixed with Mongoloid features. [14]

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Hunnic Empire
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The descriptions of Attila leads me to think he was Mongoloid aswell as the Huns, but the graves revealed that only some of them were Mongoloid-Europoid mixed while most were Caucasians but this makes me think the leader and the ruling class of the Huns were mongoloid who subjugated an Caucasian Hun.


"Short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and tanned skin, showing evidence of his origin."


Jordanes, a Goth writing in Italy in 551, a century after the collapse of the Hunnic Empire, describes the Huns as a "savage race, which dwelt at first in the swamps, a stunted, foul and puny tribe, scarcely human, and having no language save one which bore but slight resemblance to human speech."

"They made their foes flee in horror because their swarthy aspect was fearful, and they had, if I may call it so, a sort of shapeless lump, not a head, with pin-holes rather than eyes.

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Old October 30th, 2012, 04:08 AM   #2

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The most terrifying half mongoloid/Turkic empires was by the Uzbeks of Central Asia who are genetically and racially 40-45% Mongoloid + 55-60% Caucasoid.

Timur is regarded as a military genius and a tactician whose prowess made him one of the world’s great conquerors. Timur's armies were ferocious, feared throughout Asia, Africa, and Europe[15]. Independent scholars estimate that his military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people, amounting to about 5% of the world population.

The most powerful Turkic empire in history were the Timurids

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Timurid empire 1370–1526
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1. Timur: Mongoloid with some caucasoid amixture
2. Ulugh Beg: Mongoloid with some caucasoid admixture
3. Shah Rukh: Caucasoid with some mongoloid admixture

All three of them are closely related, Timur is the grandfather, Ulugh Beg is the grandson, and Shah Rukh the father.


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Anthropology data: From his bones it was clear that Timur was a tall and broad chested man with strong cheek bones. Gerasimov reconstructed the likeness of Timur from his skull. At 5 feet 8 inches (1.73 meters), Timur was very tall for his era. Gerasimov also confirmed Timur's lameness due to a hip injury. Gerasimov also found that Timur's facial characteristics conformed to general Mongoloid features.[52] In the study of "Anthropological composition of the population of Central Asia" shows the cranium of Timur predominate the characters of the South Siberian Mongoloid type.[64] Timur is classified as being closer to the Mongoloid race with some admixture.

Ulugh Beg

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Anthropology data: Soviet anthropologist Mikhail M. Gerasimov reconstructed the face of Ulugh Beg. Like Timurlane, Ulugh Beg is close to the Mongoloid type with slightly Europoid features.

Achievements: His real name was Mīrzā Mohammad Tāraghay bin Shāhrokh. Ulugh Beg was also notable for his work in astronomy-related mathematics, such as trigonometry and spherical geometry. He built the great Ulugh Beg Observatory in Samarkand between 1424 and 1429. It was considered by scholars to have been one of the finest observatories in the Islamic world at the time and the largest in Central Asia.[2] He also build the Ulugh Beg Madrasah (1417–1420) in Samarkand and Bukhara, transforming the cities into cultural center of learning in Central Asia.[3] He was also a mathematics genius of the 15th century — albeit his mental aptitude was perseverance rather than any unusual endowment of intellect.[4] He ruled Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, and southern Kazakhstan for almost half a century from 1411 to 1449 and occupied the Herat province in Afghanistan for a short time in 1448.

Shah Rukh

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Anthropology data:Soviet anthropologist Mikhail Mikhaylovich Gerasimov reconstructed the heads of Timur, his son Shah Rukh and grandson Ulug Beg, with Timurlane being closer to the Mongoloid type, while Shah Rukh, the son of a Tajik woman, had Europoid features. Shah-Rukh indeed was a typical representative of the brachycephalic Europoid, the so-called Ferghana- Pamir type.[9][10] However, because Timurlane was closer to the mongoloid type, this would make Shah Rukh in reality an genetic hybrid of the Euro-Mongoloid race despite the fact he has little to no mongoloid features.

Achievements: was the Timurid ruler of the eastern portion of the empire established by the Central Asian warlord Timur (Tamerlane) - the founder of the Timurid dynasty - governing most of Persia and Transoxiana between 1405 and 1447. Shāhrukh was the fourth and youngest son of Timur and child of one of his Tajik concubines.

Mughal Empire

The Mughal empires was also descended from the hybrid Mongol Timurids

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I read from someone that Northern Uzbek and Eastern uzbeks have people look more mongoloid like Kazakh and Kyrgyz. While Central and south Uzbekistan have more people that look like Turkmen. Uzbeks are almost close to 50/50 mongoloid. Some look more Caucasoid while some look more Mongoloid.

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Here are what Uzbeks from the south look like.
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Now look at the Uzbeks where Timur was born, many of them look like this.
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Another Turkic empire that ruled Europe very long time.

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The bust looks just like a Semi-Mongoloid person.

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Old October 30th, 2012, 10:51 AM   #6

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I never knew the Huns were an Empire, nor that India was located in Europe. I learn something new every day.
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I never knew the Huns were an Empire, nor that India was located in Europe. I learn something new every day.
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The Turkic and Iranic tribes that invaded Europe did have an advantage over their European enemies because of their fighting style, with which the Europeans were not used to. However, this has nothing to do with race. The Europeans had simply not encountered the horse archery of the Central Asian tribes before. Neither does race determine the Turkic and Iranic tribes' periods of dominance in Eastern Europe. Yes, they were mostly Mongoloid and mixed, but the only reason they as a type of civilization prevailed was because of the shared culture and hence, fighting style, between the different Turkic tribes. Race is a man-made concept and does not explain anything. It simply shows that some idiots cannot comprehend that people who look different to them can possibly be equal or superior to them.
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The thread itself is racist and title should be altered.The turkish central asian steppe tribes had great advantages during the era which led to military success.Availability of good horses and trained horsemen in the golden age of cavalry.Archery tradition and great quality bows.Tribal federations able to field greater standing armies etc due to the iqta and khalisa systems in respect to their adversaries mostly feudal systems.
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Do modern biologists and anthropologists even use the term "mongoloid" to describe people any more, or did that die out with the racist and racial theories of the 1930s?
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