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Old November 5th, 2012, 12:45 PM   #11

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Gains in personal armour could change the nature of infantry warfare.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 12:52 PM   #12

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Gains in personal armour could change the nature of infantry warfare.
Why? they would always be able to equip a tank with this armour but only in a heavier way.
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Why? they would always be able to equip a tank with this armour but only in a heavier way.
If a person is bullet proof they can operate differently, people can do things tanks cant...... otherwise there would be nothing but tanks.
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If a person is bullet proof they can operate differently, people can do things tanks cant...... otherwise there would be nothing but tanks.
Tough there are some things a tank cant do that an infantry unit can do I think that countries will always want to put as many tanks as possible in the field.
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If a person is bullet proof they can operate differently, people can do things tanks cant...... otherwise there would be nothing but tanks.
How is that different than now?

How is it relevant. The argument is about some sort of future knight. Chemistry and physics dictates that, absent the discovery of portable electromagnetic shields or such, you're not going to see guys waving pointy sticks at each (unless they've run out of ammo).
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Ah, good points.

Let's develop the scientific face if this.

Imagine a source of energy suitable to be carried by a soldier [why not in a backpack] giving power to the active armor.

First of all, that soldier would not touch the soil, since the energetic shield of the armor would create a distance between the boots and the terrain.

Then, nothing can exclude that such an energetic shield would be able to make a rocket explode far from the unit and if the energetic shield can stop bullets it can stop the energy of the explosion and the fragments coming from it.

In a similar context the advantage of a tank would be about weight and dimension [the tank could always crush the soldier [but it has to enter in contact].

The tank can issue more energy than a single soldier, but on the other hand, it's probable that an enough great number of soldiers could issue enough energy to destroy the tank and the tank is a well more easy target than a group of mobile soldiers.

At this point .... in which way could an "energetic knight" attack an other similar unit?

This is not a simple problem. Anyway, hitting, the energetic shield of the attacker would transmit [by means of weapons to handle] kinetic energy to the energetic shield of the defender.

In any case also a rocket could carry such an energetic shield to get in touch with the attacked unit and the impact would be tremendous ...

Here comes DUNE to help us. I remember that reading the first novel I noted that fighting with shields they used "slow attacks".

Well, that's it. Simply to move your body, once protected by the shield, you need to transmit kinetic energy here and there. But low kinetic energy. The energetic shield has to filter mean and high kinetic energies otherwise it would be impossible to move, to grasp objects ... and so on ...

So that's the tactic: to hit slowly with energetic blades. A fast rocket would never do that. Too fast.
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Ah, good points.

Let's develop the scientific face if this.

Imagine a source of energy suitable to be carried by a soldier [why not in a backpack] giving power to the active armor.

First of all, that soldier would not touch the soil, since the energetic shield of the armor would create a distance between the boots and the terrain.

Then, nothing can exclude that such an energetic shield would be able to make a rocket explode far from the unit and if the energetic shield can stop bullets it can stop the energy of the explosion and the fragments coming from it.

In a similar context the advantage of a tank would be about weight and dimension [the tank could always crush the soldier [but it has to enter in contact].

The tank can issue more energy than a single soldier, but on the other hand, it's probable that an enough great number of soldiers could issue enough energy to destroy the tank and the tank is a well more easy target than a group of mobile soldiers.

At this point .... in which way could an "energetic knight" attack an other similar unit?

This is not a simple problem. Anyway, hitting, the energetic shield of the attacker would transmit [by means of weapons to handle] kinetic energy to the energetic shield of the defender.

In any case also a rocket could carry such an energetic shield to get in touch with the attacked unit and the impact would be tremendous ...

Here comes DUNE to help us. I remember that reading the first novel I noted that fighting with shields they used "slow attacks".

Well, that's it. Simply to move your body, once protected by the shield, you need to transmit kinetic energy here and there. But low kinetic energy. The energetic shield has to filter mean and high kinetic energies otherwise it would be impossible to move, to grasp objects ... and so on ...

So that's the tactic: to hit slowly with energetic blades. A fast rocket would never do that. Too fast.
Ok. Yeah, so if science fantasy technology ever becomes real, then yes I can see how warfare could be more aesthetically pleasing.
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