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Old January 16th, 2009, 02:00 PM   #1

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What would happen if the American Revolution was lost? I am curious on what events would look like after the Revolution and in todays world what the US would look like if they had not one. Just an opinion thread.

I personally think the RedCoats would have lost no matter what we did seeing as they were outnumbered by us. And the fact that there was the Atlantic Ocean between us and them, and the fact that if we didn't beat them then we would have beat them around the time of the War of 1812.
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The rebels leaders and a large proportion of the rank and file would have been executed (normal practice for the British Crown).

I would be chary of claiming that "us" outnumbered anyone. The British Army and it's Indian allies would far outnumber "us" and the French allies due to the blockades.

If I recall correctly you lost the War of 1812.
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Old January 16th, 2009, 02:58 PM   #3

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The US got it's tail handed to it for most of 1812, but ultimately the British decided to call a truce at Ghent after a series of most unfortunate mishaps. Then the huge upset at New Orleans after the war was over.

If the Colonies would have lost the war, I firmly believe that England would have done what every other empire in history did, try to take over the world. (Note strong Pinky and the Brain reference....NARF!!!) Ahem. They could have used the colonies to it's advantage in the Napoleonic conflict and brought France under its control, payback for Hastings 700 years before. Ultimately, England would have more than likely found itself grossly over reached and enter a setup similar to Rome. Too much territory ruled by one Monarch is unmanagable. It is likely there would have been several rebellions in numerous countries, cause let's face it, when was the last time you heard of a country that actually like being ruled by the English? Anyone, anyone? Bueller? Massed rebellions across the board, the Ottomans, (or whatever the German states were calling themselves then) would have been leading the way and it's likely that England would now be speaking German. All of this at or around the turn of the 21st century.

At least my opinion. No empire can survive if it seeks expansion, period. It's been tired and it always fails.
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Old January 16th, 2009, 04:00 PM   #4
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Chookie, 'The rebel’s leaders and a large proportion of the rank and file would have been executed (normal practice for the British Crown).'

I must beg to differ here, if the crown forces had suppressed the revolt the leading rebels would have been tried and some executed, others possibly the majority would have been imprisoned and /or had property confiscated. The ranks would have been allowed to return to their homes, possibly suffering restricted freedoms and a curtailment of movement. If sufficiently wealthy they may have suffered additional taxation.
It would have been essential to the Crown to retain the loyalty of the population not directly involved in the revolt and any heavy handed or vengeful policies may have rebounded on authorities trying to re-impose order. It must be remembered that the revolt was not overwhelmingly popular.
Historians' best estimates put the proportion of adult white male loyalists somewhere between 15 and 20 percent. Approximately half the colonists of European ancestry tried to avoid involvement in the struggle — some of them deliberate pacifists, others recent emigrants, and many more simple apolitical folk. The patriots received active support from perhaps 40 to 45 percent of the white populace, and at most no more than a bare majority
About 10-15 percent of Loyalists left, an estimated white 62,000 Loyalists, or about 2 percent of the total American population of 3 million in 1783. Of these the vast majority were of the wealthy to middle class, and members of the Anglican clergy.
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Old January 16th, 2009, 04:48 PM   #6

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What would happen if the American Revolution was lost?
I think what is now the U.S. would resemble a cross between Canada and Australia.
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Old January 16th, 2009, 08:46 PM   #7

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I personally think the RedCoats would have lost no matter what we did seeing as they were outnumbered by us
outnumbered?, our army was a pest compared to the giants of europe (French had the power to summon several hundred thousand). than again, britain also had a small army compared to european standards, but training made up for that.
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outnumbered?, our army was a pest compared to the giants of europe (French had the power to summon several hundred thousand). than again, britain also had a small army compared to european standards, but training made up for that.
Misinterpreted. The British armies that were over here were outnumbered by us, as in population. Thats all I was saying. Not that our army was bigger than theres. However as I said, as we expanded from 1760's to 1800s was enormous. So all I was pointing out was that if we had lost. Our population grew as we expanded, which means the rebellion would have expanded also, and the British, who were already stretched because of all there other colonies, would not have had the resources to do anything. Well maybe struggle a wee bit.
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Wouldn't the US just rebel again several years later and attain independence anyway?
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Misinterpreted. The British armies that were over here were outnumbered by us, as in population. Thats all I was saying. Not that our army was bigger than theres. However as I said, as we expanded from 1760's to 1800s was enormous. So all I was pointing out was that if we had lost. Our population grew as we expanded, which means the rebellion would have expanded also, and the British, who were already stretched because of all there other colonies, would not have had the resources to do anything. Well maybe struggle a wee bit.
a fourth the world, a third the population .........i don't see us outnumbering us
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