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Old November 14th, 2012, 07:08 PM   #1
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The decline of the first World?


Unlikely theory but let's play with the idea: Europe is becoming Islamized, because an excessive amount of Muslim immigrants are going moving there and are having statistically more progeny than their European compatriots. Now I wonder: isn't this an indication that in the future we will have problems of overpopulation and population imbalance between the first world and the third world? In other words, if we look at the differences in fertility rates between the first world and third world, we can see that, as usual, the poor people tend to have more children than the affluent. Also worth note that never before in history have there been so many medical advances to give birth. Deliveries of today are much more successful than ever before. I mean that in a nutshell, the world of the future may have problems of massive overpopulation of the third world with respect to the the first, and this could have serious political, cultural and even religious consequences, and that the world would overpopulate of people who unfortunately do not receive adequate education, and well, if we look at the current world political situation, it seems that the first world countries are on decline both culturally and economically. What if history is repeating itself and the first world is experiencing what happened to Rome almost two thousand years earlier in their last centuries of decline, and their own exuberance and excess of power led them indirectly to their extinction, but in the modern world we are more connected than ever because of technology, and "Rome" is not a nation or an empire anymore, but rather it would be the entire first world as an "economic group". Maybe in the long run, the first world may in some way pay the price of being the historically dominant power of the world because (ironically) the economic inequity they created because of their own hegemony, dominance and global colonialism would lead them with less people, this could mean that there would be a decline in first-world culture and the emergence of third world cultures because there would be a massive demographic disproportion between the two. Just compare the fertility rates between Europe and Africa. You only need to turn on the TV and see what is happening in Greece, in Spain, in Portugal, including the United States with its debt of over 16 trillion dollars. It seems that we could be living in very interesting times in history when the balance of power globally change, and Third World cultures ARISING.

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Old November 14th, 2012, 07:46 PM   #3
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I was just commenting on this video man

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A Muslim take over of Europe through "superior birth rates" is only possible by 2100 PROVIDED, all Muslims in the Mid East move to Europe. Only then is it even remotely statistically possible that they might inch over the 50% mark here. But I guess all Europeans can then just move to the Mid East, since it's going to empty.

If anyone wants to look for where a Muslim majority is most likely to occur by sheer "outbreeding" in any European nation, you should start looking hard at Russia. If Russia doesn't seem to go that way (and it doesn't), then neither will any other part of Europe.
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Unlikely theory but let's play with the idea: Europe is becoming Islamized, because an excessive amount of Muslim immigrants are going moving there and are having statistically more progeny than their European compatriots. Now I wonder: isn't this an indication that in the future we will have problems of overpopulation and population imbalance between the first world and the third world? In other words, if we look at the differences in fertility rates between the first world and third world, we can see that, as usual, the poor people tend to have more children than the affluent. Also worth note that never before in history have there been so many medical advances to give birth. Deliveries of today are much more successful than ever before. I mean that in a nutshell, the world of the future may have problems of massive overpopulation of the third world with respect to the the first, and this could have serious political, cultural and even religious consequences, and that the world would overpopulate of people who unfortunately do not receive adequate education, and well, if we look at the current world political situation, it seems that the first world countries are on decline both culturally and economically. What if history is repeating itself and the first world is experiencing what happened to Rome almost two thousand years earlier in their last centuries of decline, and their own exuberance and excess of power led them indirectly to their extinction, but in the modern world we are more connected than ever because of technology, and "Rome" is not a nation or an empire anymore, but rather it would be the entire first world as an "economic group". Maybe in the long run, the first world may in some way pay the price of being the historically dominant power of the world because (ironically) the economic inequity they created because of their own hegemony, dominance and global colonialism would lead them with less people, this could mean that there would be a decline in first-world culture and the emergence of third world cultures because there would be a massive demographic disproportion between the two. Just compare the fertility rates between Europe and Africa. You only need to turn on the TV and see what is happening in Greece, in Spain, in Portugal, including the United States with its debt of over 16 trillion dollars. It seems that we could be living in very interesting times in history when the balance of power globally change, and Third World cultures ARISING.

What do you think?
You make some good points. However, we must also take into consideration the average age of death. This tends to be much lower in the 3rd world than the first. Combined with what you described, we will be seeing an aging, very slowly growing (or possibly declining) first world, compared with a younger, rapidly growing third world.
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Third Jihad is an Islamophobic propaganda organisation of little worth. It's not history, so I've moved it into speculative for the moment. If this goes the way of all the other similar threads on this topic we've had in the past, it'll be closed down.
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You make some good points. However, we must also take into consideration the average age of death. This tends to be much lower in the 3rd world than the first. Combined with what you described, we will be seeing an aging, very slowly growing (or possibly declining) first world, compared with a younger, rapidly growing third world.
Only to a point. All of that presumes that the fertility rate remains constant compared to prosperity, whereas historically, it has tended to decline as prosperity rises - Japan reached this point some time ago, China is reaching it now and other countries will too, if they make economic progress.
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Unlikely theory but let's play with the idea: Europe is becoming Islamized, because an excessive amount of Muslim immigrants are going moving there and are having statistically more progeny than their European compatriots.
Tell me something. Muslims comprise 2.7% of the UK population. The UK fertility rate is 1.94 births per woman. How high would the Muslim birth rate need to be to make Muslims a majority by, oh, let's say 2050?
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