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Old November 16th, 2012, 10:41 AM   #71

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Incorrect. The bread and butter of apologetics is defending a position.
One usually defends one's position by assailing those who undermine it. To undermine their facts, theories or sources. Often with ad hominems and blanket expressions that have no real specific critical meaning. One of the most common "tricks" is to connect an individual with some specific intellectual failure and then associate all of their ideas with this particular failure. If everyone were to be judged by their failures, no one would have any credulity at all. Even Einstein, Newton and Leonardo Da Vinci had failures.
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Old November 16th, 2012, 10:48 AM   #72

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There is an alternative to this theory of whom the "gods" may have actually been. There is a far greater and logical likelihood that these "gods" were not aliens, but a species of humans; who had reached a level of technology beyond the capabilities of every other human group of their time. It is this view that may be the more credible. The actual mythos of all ancient peoples seems to point to a time where these "gods" existed but either destroyed themselves or were destroyed by some colossal natural calamity. Most of the mythos points to this possibility. This concept of the " Gods coming from the sky" might be literally correct in that whomever, these "gods" were; they could actually fly. Anyone who could fly would have automatically been considered "godlike." And since modern humans have acquired many advanced technologies, there is no reason to doubt that an earlier human species may also have acquired some of these technologies as well.
I dont think that one species of human could advance from spears to air travel without the other species having at least some mechanicle skills of there own based on the superior line's earlier inventions. And how would this theory handle the description of the superior people as serpent-like (or some similar description) in several unrelated cultures?
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Old November 16th, 2012, 11:41 AM   #73

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I dont think that one species of human could advance from spears to air travel without the other species having at least some mechanicle skills of there own based on the superior line's earlier inventions. And how would this theory handle the description of the superior people as serpent-like (or some similar description) in several unrelated cultures?
And where is this coming from besides Ancient Aliens or David Icke?
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Old November 16th, 2012, 11:42 AM   #74

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Considering your utterly credulous and uncritical acceptance of Wikipedia's excruciatingly inaccurate article on this subject, you'll forgive me for not placing much faith in what you have read.
Once again, wikipedia was just a way to quickly list some example myths, as a reference. I could have just as easily listed some of them myself but I thought posting a link would be easier.

But since I have no desire to have a conversation with someone so incredibly patronizing and arrogant, I won't even bother going into what else I have read on the topic. And since this topic has exploded since I last replied, it seems rather pointless to argue it further.
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Old November 16th, 2012, 11:46 AM   #75

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And where is this coming from besides Ancient Aliens or David Icke?
The only instance of this that springs to my mind are the naga of Hinduism and Buddhism, which are one of the divine races (alongside asura, deva, etc).

But ancient aliens make baby Jesus cry.
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Old November 16th, 2012, 12:14 PM   #76

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And where is this coming from besides Ancient Aliens or David Icke?
The Bible says that the serpent tempted eve. This is widely accepted as satan. So in the Bible one could deduce that a fallen angel named Lucifer was serpentile in appearance. Also, Quetzalcoatl in mesoamerican lore

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The Bible says that the serpent tempted eve. This is widely accepted as satan. So in the Bible one could deduce that a fallen angel named Lucifer was serpentile in appearance. Also, Quetzalcoatl in mesoamerican lore
And yet your comparison relies on the idea that many ancient cultures believed there was a superior race of reptilian beings. Yet you only have two examples both of which involved on a single being each. Furthermore Quetzalcoatl doesn't fit the description you are looking for. Nor do the Naga.
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And yet your comparison relies on the idea that many ancient cultures believed there was a superior race of reptilian beings. Yet you only have two examples both of which involved on a single being each. Furthermore Quetzalcoatl doesn't fit the description you are looking for. Nor do the Naga.
I felt that restating the Hindu point was unnecessary....3 myths involving serpentile beings from 3 seperate cultures.
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Ok, so why don't you tell me what description I am looking for
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Ok, so why don't you tell me what description I am looking for
You seem to be insinuating that the stories are all about reptilian beings who are benevolent givers of knowledge. Of the 3 (three is hardly a big number when postulating that this was a common theme) only Quetzalcoatl comes off as very benevolent, and there's not a lot of stories about him being a giver of knowledge. The snake in the garden of Eden tempted Eve into eating the apple of knowledge, but the snake was in no way benevolent and knew the ramifications, especially if you use the snake-as-Satan interpretation. The nagas were the only example that there was more than one being of, but they weren't otherwordly, they were nature spirits. And they didn't gift knowledge, nor were they considered to be very benevolent.
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