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Old November 19th, 2012, 04:55 AM   #51

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Because that rag tap group of freedom fighters defeated the most powerful army in the world to win their Independence. Also, because they could.
ah come on Wenge you know it's not like that.
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luckily hollywood movies like red dawn are not an accurate portrayal of warfare...
in the words of Winston Churchill
It is amazing how fast a trained army can crush unorganized resistance.

I don't know why Americans have the idea that they would offer more resistance to an invading army than for example the Polish, Russians or Norwegians.
I seem to remember the Russian partizans being quite a problem. The USA would likely be in the same circumstance. The Phillipines also provided a lot of resistance, and they didn't have the resources US partizans would have.

Again terrain and logistics are the key here. California is not esepcially conducive to easy conquering. Its extremely large and most of it is very inhospitable. Norther California is better, but you're still hemmed in by a mountain chain. Plus its even more ideal for guerillas to operate in.
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That's my point too, people keep mentioning logistics and supplies. Logistics and supplies for what? All the food/munitions/roads are already there. Napoleon was able to reduce Italy and Europe with little in the way of supplies and with a small force you could easily just commandeer the supplies and food of local civilians. Starvation isn't a likely prospect, the only thing a small invasion force would have to worry about is attack from the air or being detected upon landing. In the meantime they could just roll around the countryside destroying everything until inevitably being wiped out, but if they'd have been able to get to Los Angeles or San Fransisco they'd have been able to do a lot of damage to the ports, railways and infrastructure imho. It's odd that it was never attempted when the IJA were so devoted to personal sacrifice. The final Yammamoto attack was the real waste of men.
If they invaded the LA area they're dead men. Shut off the water coming from the North and LA reverts to its natural state - a desert.
If you invade Northern California you're cut off from all military supplies. Might as well just build yourself some fences and declare you've surrendered. You're done.
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Because that rag tap group of freedom fighters defeated the most powerful army in the world to win their Independence. Also, because they could.

Well for a start Britain wasn't the most powerful army at the time and theres the small matter of those 'rag tap' fighters forming their own conventional army plus French military forces.

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I seem to remember the Russian partizans being quite a problem. The USA would likely be in the same circumstance. The Phillipines also provided a lot of resistance, and they didn't have the resources US partizans would have.

Again terrain and logistics are the key here. California is not esepcially conducive to easy conquering. Its extremely large and most of it is very inhospitable. Norther California is better, but you're still hemmed in by a mountain chain. Plus its even more ideal for guerillas to operate in.

Japan occupying the USA is not what Rochester suggested but any 'power' that was strong enough to attempt the invasion and occupation of the USA (can not think of one myself) would I have no doubt faced resistence from Americans but not in the fanciful 'Hollywood' way.

However if you look at occupied Europe its not the cities where its strongest but in more remote rural areas which are easier to hide in and less easy to control.

For resistence to succed it would most likely need outside support.
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Well for a start Britain wasn't the most powerful army at the time and theres the small matter of those 'rag tap' fighters forming their own conventional army plus French military forces.




Japan occupying the USA is not what Rochester suggested but any 'power' that was strong enough to attempt the invasion and occupation of the USA (can not think of one myself) would I have no doubt faced resistence from Americans but not in the fanciful 'Hollywood' way.

However if you look at occupied Europe its not the cities where its strongest but in more remote rural areas which are easier to hide in and less easy to control.

For resistence to succed it would most likely need outside support.
1. California at the time was heavily rural. Get a few miles away from the coast and its still heavily rural. Its also a nice combination of very rugged mountains, forest, and freaking desert.
2. California guerillas would have had plenty of help in the form of US military rolling towards the Japanese invaders like a juggernaut.

Its also a note, any material delay means the US has more nukes ready for Japan and would likely have used them.
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1. California at the time was heavily rural. Get a few miles away from the coast and its still heavily rural. Its also a nice combination of very rugged mountains, forest, and freaking desert.
2. California guerillas would have had plenty of help in the form of US military rolling towards the Japanese invaders like a juggernaut.

Its also a note, any material delay means the US has more nukes ready for Japan and would likely have used them.
Could the American army in 1941 be described as a 'juggernaut'? some of the cavalry was still horsed (and not enough aof them).

Don't disagree California being rural just saying resistance would occur there rather than in cities that are easier to control.

Did the USA have 'nukes' in 1941? and if they did would they use it on their own country?
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Whoa....dudes, we're like......totally being invaded dude....it's like, totally grody man.
There's like.....all these Japanese dudes like.....everywhere man.....whoa!
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That's my point too, people keep mentioning logistics and supplies. Logistics and supplies for what? All the food/munitions/roads are already there. Napoleon was able to reduce Italy and Europe with little in the way of supplies and with a small force you could easily just commandeer the supplies and food of local civilians. Starvation isn't a likely prospect, the only thing a small invasion force would have to worry about is attack from the air or being detected upon landing. In the meantime they could just roll around the countryside destroying everything until inevitably being wiped out, but if they'd have been able to get to Los Angeles or San Fransisco they'd have been able to do a lot of damage to the ports, railways and infrastructure imho. It's odd that it was never attempted when the IJA were so devoted to personal sacrifice. The final Yammamoto attack was the real waste of men.
Bugger logistics!
How about an actual goal? A worthwhile endgame?
The massive expenditure in lives and equipment just to cause a little chaos in California is just not worth the bother.
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Because that rag tap group of freedom fighters defeated the most powerful army in the world to win their Independence. Also, because they could.
Yeah, rag tag doesn't adequately describe the organised military forces that the American colonies formed to fight their war of independence. Not to say that they didn't have Auxillaries and guerilla units.

Then again, I thought in the early stages of the war many of the American people felt they were fighting for their rights as Englishmen rather than Independence.
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Whoa....dudes, we're like......totally being invaded dude....it's like, totally grody man.
There's like.....all these Japanese dudes like.....everywhere man.....whoa!

Oh well played sir

I fancy California in 1941 was a different place from today though, how many civilians were armed and was there that much of the gang warfare and crime in LA/Compton?
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