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Old November 20th, 2012, 10:54 PM   #51

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I would love to see this happen, though I think we all know it is impossible. The two biggest problems that jump out are the Monarchy/Republic divide and the fact that I don't see Ireland agreeing to a Union with United Kingdom.


Nooooo, we dont want to be the 51st state of the U.S.A
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I used to think something like that because of those HDI and quality of life figures seen in almanacs, Wikipedia, and other sources. That is until I lived there for two years. Medical care in Canada was very disappointing - except for the fact that everyone gets it! - American health care is awesome - if you can afford it. To live the same life I lived in America in Canada was financially impossible (literally) - I made less money doing the same work, was taxed double but saw literally nothing from it except for guaranteed healthcare (which I already had at higher quality in Maryland). It was much harder to find jobs (in a variety of fields), and the same sized house I lived in in MD would be double the price.

Although I was dismayed that I made less money for the same work, I was even more bothered that all type of goods and services were anywhere from 20-50% more expensive, with a more limited selection. Lastly, there are really only four cities/urban areas to choose from (Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary), and a very harsh climate everywhere. I enjoyed my time there, but life was harder there. The big kicker that Canada had over the US (IMHO) is that there was less violent crime and more economic equality in the cities (Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver and Calgary).

Canada is alright though, if I ever got kicked out of the US, I would probably live there, and I would even live there before certain parts of the US. Canada would benefit economically from a union that creates more economic opportunity, but then again, that doesn't necessarily make it right - they do have a different cultures, the monarchy, and some different ways of doing things. I always thought it was odd that despite the higher quality of life ratings, about ten Canadians immigrate to the US for every American that immigrates to Canada. It's even stranger when we consider that the US has ten times the population. After living there I've come up with a new social theory - people want opportunity, not a guaranteed lifestyle. Anyways - those HDI and quality of life charts made Canada look like a utopia but it was mostly the same thing except in a very cold climate except for the economic factors listed above.
Of course you know more about the situation but it is not surprising to me that it is better to live in the US when you are rich or want to get rich fast
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After living there I've come up with a new social theory - people want opportunity, not a guaranteed lifestyle.
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IT depends , you see , on the quality of life , a person is leading .
If a person , who had lived in a war torn country where people getting killed is a day to day affair , they crave for only a guaranteed and settled life but not for any opportunities [ to hell with the opportunities if he doesn't live firsthand ] . And once we get settled down somewhere peacefully where our lives have a security , then we start looking for some better ways to lead our life luxuriously ....
Our desires and needs do evolve with the surroundings and so does our perceptions ..
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Of course you know more about the situation but it is not surprising to me that it is better to live in the US when you are rich or want to get rich fast
I hear you there.

If I was homeless, I would want to live in Canada.
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IT depends , you see , on the quality of life , a person is leading .
If a person , who had lived in a war torn country where people getting killed is a day to day affair , they crave for only a guaranteed and settled life but not for any opportunities [ to hell with the opportunities if he doesn't live firsthand ] . And once we get settled down somewhere peacefully where our lives have a security , then we start looking for some better ways to lead our life luxuriously ....
Our desires and needs do evolve with the surroundings and so does our perceptions ..
Excellent point!
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Nooooo, we dont want to be the 51st state of the U.S.A
I'll be your unlikely ally in the fight against the forces of the Pacific_Victory in this war! My motives are that this union would render the US revolution pointless!
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Old November 21st, 2012, 08:19 AM   #57

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Historically Panama was part of Colombia, and Belize has always been far closer to the British Caribbean than Latin America.

Yes, my first idea was recreating the "Federal Republic of Central America", a former stated that existed in 1824-1839, composed by El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua and Costa Rica only.

But considering the present situation, it could be interesting to integrate Belize into the Federation, and also Panama. In fact, integrating Panama could be more destabilizating than Belize, because Nicaragua is planning to build a new Canal crossing its territory, something that would led to a fierce competition against Panama.

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I'll be your unlikely ally in the fight against the forces of the Pacific_Victory in this war! My motives are that this union would render the US revolution pointless!
The British have already abolished the monarchical tyranny we fought a revolution against. They can call themselves a Constitutional Monarchy, but the truth is they are a parliamentary democracy and that is a good thing.

One of my friends from England has frequently told me she should be able to vote in US elections because the outcome affects her so much.
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At least America-Canada would make IMHO a lot of sense.

IMHO the other options would be simply too remote of each other.
With modern transportation and telecommunications, far less remote to each other than Georgia was to Massachusetts, or even Edinburgh to London, in the 18th century...by several orders of magnitude. The world has become a much smaller place.
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Nooooo, we dont want to be the 51st state of the U.S.A
I think a reunion of all the anglophone nations is more likely than, say, a US unification with Canada. With any individual commonwealth country, it would just be swallowed up into the United States, but together they would create a rather powerful block. Though I still think the Monarchy/Republic thing is the biggest hurdle.

But you can always just continue down your current path towards unification with France and Germany.
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