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Old November 21st, 2012, 12:02 PM   #11

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Would this be the Kingdom of France (Action Francaise) or the Commune of France?
The Croix-de-Feu and Mouvement Franciste combined into the Parti Franciste.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 12:05 PM   #12

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The Croix-de-Feu and Mouvement Franciste combined into the Parti Franciste.
Yes, you're right to remind it. The Croix-de-Feu was among the main actors, sure it would have taken part to an eventual extremist government of a defeated France.
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lol if the cp had won, israel would have been established in time and no holocaust would have happened.
Presumably.
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lol if the cp had won, israel would have been established in time and no holocaust would have happened.
Presumably.
Eh, not that simple. The chemistry between Ottoman and British power in ME in those decades was complicated.

The defeat of UK in WW I may be would have allowed the Ottomans to keep their power in the region. Ottomans weren't so ready to concede a state to the Jews [the British power seemed to be more ready for this].

So, I wouldn't be that sure ...
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Eh, not that simple. The chemistry between Ottoman and British power in ME in those decades was complicated.

The defeat of UK in WW I may be would have allowed the Ottomans to keep their power in the region. Ottomans weren't so ready to concede a state to the Jews [the British power seemed to be more ready for this].

So, I wouldn't be that sure ...
So still, there would probably be no holocaust. Unless france turned nazi in defence of the "holy french race". Though like some other user said, if the white army had won in russia it would initiate something resmebling the holocaust.
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Apart from the odd pogrom, the Tsarists would have more likely deported jewish "undesirables" into internal exile "beyond the Urals." Russia had ample opportunities to exterminate her jewish subjects in the 19th century but didn't, so a Russian "holocaust" wuld have been unlikely. If France had gone "fascist" the worst case scenario would have been deportation to French colonies, rather than extermination. Even the nazis first choice was expulsion before WW2.

Zionism was considered a crackpot scheme by most jewish Europeans at the time, so most would emigrate to America, given the circumstances and opportunity.
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