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Old December 1st, 2012, 03:28 PM   #31

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I didn't comment on dictatorships or democracies. A superpower like America is just as capable of installing pro-USA democracies as they are installing dictatorships. Now though America is more likely to install a democracy as it is harder to justify putting a dictator in power now that the Soviets are gone.
I never said you did, it was just an observation. What I'm trying to say is: Is any European leader going to go against the Germans when such a thing is against their country's interest? Surely if they do something bad for the country they're not going to be reelected.
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Actually, democracies tend to be easier to manipulate than dictatorships. Just look at Iran in Iraq.

Leaders understand they're not getting reelected if they make the choice that's economically bad for the country. Democratic Governments will gladly hand over degrees of sovereignty to tougher countries if they (the weaker country) are getting something out of it.

A man will fight harder for his interests than for his rights. Napoleon said it best.
Actually the empirical historical experience has been overwhelmingly entirely the opposite on virtually a global scale.

E.g. irrespectively on the democratic level of the colonial masters, colonialism has systematically tended to favor local authoritarianism and the concentration of power.

The evident reason is that it is almost always much easier to deal with a single head (dictator or equivalent) than with the required consensus of a plurality (democracy)
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Old December 8th, 2012, 12:41 PM   #33

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In a sense you are correct, but there are military hardwares which are not available in the market, thus, that separates a superpower like the U.S. from the rest.
Like what? There's nothing that America has that Germany doesn't have the money or the technology to build. It's just hung back by it's past historical baggage. For now. But one day it will be freed of that, won't it?

In a certain way, though, it works to Germany's advantage. Not having to worry too much about defence, with US and NATO providing it, Germany, like Japan, can divert resources otherwise needed for military development, expenses etc. to much more economically productive uses.
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Old December 8th, 2012, 12:54 PM   #34

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A number of points.

1. If Germany wanted nuclear weapons they could surreptitiously make dozens in a matter of months or weeks if it so chose to do so IMHO.

2. As other posters have also stated Germany is the dominant economic power in Europe for the time being. If Germany wanted to conquer Europe the smart move would be to do it economically and through the EU. Ironically as it is increasingly unlikely that the UK will join the EU, Germany influence and power in the EU will only increase.

Germany at any rate now, and in the foreseeable future, will not use its military for any nefarious foreign advantures, but I can see them using its economic and soft power to influence global events, and most likely not for revanchist reasons but for environmental and economic matters.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 09:45 AM   #35

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To go to war, what you need is:
1.) MONEY (germany has a lot)
2.) able bodies to go to war (Germany got the pop.)
3.) a leader (which they lack. For now)

What germany needs is a fantastic leader (not necessarily a military one), in order for them of having any hopes of taking over europe in whatever fashion. One thing in history (especially in the Art of War) thats really fascinating is that you don't need to have the military numbers nor the weps to win a war, what you need is a leader that can lead his/her people to the right path.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 09:49 AM   #36

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A number of points.

1. If Germany wanted nuclear weapons they could surreptitiously make dozens in a matter of months or weeks if it so chose to do so IMHO.

2. As other posters have also stated Germany is the dominant economic power in Europe for the time being. If Germany wanted to conquer Europe the smart move would be to do it economically and through the EU. Ironically as it is increasingly unlikely that the UK will join the EU, Germany influence and power in the EU will only increase.

Germany at any rate now, and in the foreseeable future, will not use its military for any nefarious foreign advantures, but I can see them using its economic and soft power to influence global events, and most likely not for revanchist reasons but for environmental and economic matters.
The UK is in the EU and has been so since 1957...
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I find it a little disheartening that you are automatically assuming that France and/or the U.K. would use nuclear weapons against Germany that casually.
Why? Its a weapon. You use the weapons you have.
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Germany seems to be doing a fine job of taking over Europe as it is, why mess up a good thing by getting into a shooting war? Especially since the US would probably love the opportunity to dismantle the EU, which is a long-term threat to our sphere of influence.
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Germany seems to be doing a fine job of taking over Europe as it is, why mess up a good thing by getting into a shooting war? Especially since the US would probably love the opportunity to dismantle the EU, which is a long-term threat to our sphere of influence.
exactly. use money instead of gunpowder.
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Germany can probably control many EU countries through the penetration of its Siemens electricity infrastructure/ products. It can probably shut down many plants/buildings/ trains and hospitals all over the EU by the pressing of a button.
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