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Old December 11th, 2012, 12:37 PM   #41

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I still fail to see how all ancient art depictions of strange objects and beings were entirely debunked...references?
Allow me to quote your own exact words.

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by the way typing pretty much any of it into google will bring up info...this is the internet you know?
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Old December 11th, 2012, 12:38 PM   #42
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Allow me to quote your own exact words.
Finding an object reference is a bit easier than finding specific viewpoints on them
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I am no scientist, but i do like logic. From what we know today our Solar system seem pretty much devoid of life beyond our own planet. Which mens ancient aliens (bless them) are visitors from another galaxy. This inter galactic travel is somewhat time consuming at best and really it doesnt seem to add up. Why oh why would intergalactic travellers from two thousand year ago bother leaving a myriad of cryptic clues and then dissapear for a millenium or two.
They wouldn't have to be from another galaxy, just another star system would do.

However, we don't know that our own Solar System is devoid of life. What we do know is that the probes we have sent haven't encountered any but, for the sake of argument, we have only sent a few probes to the Moon and Mars. We have yet to land a probe on Mercury, the ones sent to Venus' surface have only lasted half an hour or so, and we have only ever landed a probe on one body in the outer Solar System, on the Saturnian moon Titan, although others have sampled the atmosphere of Jupiter.

We have hypothesised that several bodies in the outer system have liquid water under their ice surfaces, and anywhere we find liquid water here on Earth, we find life, but as of yet, we lack the means to explore this hypothesis - we have no way of getting heavy drilling equipment out there to drill through many kilometres of ice. The moon Callisto may have liquid water nearer the surface. But we have only explored a very tiny fraction of our Solar System. There may well be other lifeforms in it, although if there are, the likelihood is that it is microbial. But if we were to discover even microbial life on another body in the Solar System, it would at least demonstrate that life is not confined to our own rock.
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If you're expecting other people to do their own searches to find articles that back up assertions that you've made, you should be expected to do the same when faced with counter-assertions. Now, if you want to provide some supporting evidence for some of the things you've mentioned being of alien origin, I'm sure I can find articles that provide rather more sensible explanations.
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The thread is beginning to repeat itself...
Perhaps someone could actually do the hard job of googling up references for the say the "hammer in the way-too-old strata" of the op and its debunktion.
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They wouldn't have to be from another galaxy, just another star system would do.

However, we don't know that our own Solar System is devoid of life. What we do know is that the probes we have sent haven't encountered any but, for the sake of argument, we have only sent a few probes to the Moon and Mars. We have yet to land a probe on Mercury, the ones sent to Venus' surface have only lasted half an hour or so, and we have only ever landed a probe on one body in the outer Solar System, on the Saturnian moon Titan, although others have sampled the atmosphere of Jupiter.

We have hypothesised that several bodies in the outer system have liquid water under their ice surfaces, and anywhere we find liquid water here on Earth, we find life, but as of yet, we lack the means to explore this hypothesis - we have no way of getting heavy drilling equipment out there to drill through many kilometres of ice. The moon Callisto may have liquid water nearer the surface. But we have only explored a very tiny fraction of our Solar System. There may well be other lifeforms in it, although if there are, the likelihood is that it is microbial. But if we were to discover even microbial life on another body in the Solar System, it would at least demonstrate that life is not confined to our own rock.
I find it really exciting, the constant flow of information from such exploration and the resultant scientific debate (e.g. the latest possibilty of 'organic compounds' on Mars). I hope they find something definite in my own my own lifetime although, I don't doubt it will raise far more questions than it answers.
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The thread is beginning to repeat itself...
Perhaps someone could actually do the hard job of googling up references for the say the "hammer in the way-to-old strata" of the op and its debunktion.
Google

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Knock yourself out.
I'm not claiming to know anything in this thread. The op said he would give references for anything specific asked after, you said they've all been debunked. So what's up with the hammer then, any virus free link you'd suggest?

edit,not the OP, but the First Responder.
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Perhaps someone could actually do the hard job of googling up references for the say the "hammer in the way-too-old strata" of the op and its debunktion.
Lol a lot of them do

But I'll start anyway (even though I'm still open-minded to the possibility of AAT while being so far unconvinced).

The 'Baijong pipes' - along with two other similar instances elsewhere - are thought to be casts of prehistoric plants. Chinese scientists have discovered organic traces to support this, along with tree rings. The presence of iron which has led to all the speculation, is the result of long term natural processes.

The Nazka Lines - Experimental archaeology has shown that it's not so difficult to create such massive designs without being able to actually see them. An alternative hypothesis is the use of hot air balloons.

Erik von Daniken - Yes well. He came clean about all that a long time ago didn't he?

I realise none of those are proof or disproof, just explanations that don't need alien intervention.
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I find it really exciting, the constant flow of information from such exploration and the resultant scientific debate (e.g. the latest possibilty of 'organic compounds' on Mars). I hope they find something definite in my own my own lifetime although, I don't doubt it will raise far more questions than it answers.
To take some of it in context - the Spirit and Opportunity rovers are probably are longest and most comprehensive explorations of another world to date, but during their entire lifetimes, they've only covered a few miles. Spirit drove for about 4 miles in total, Opportunity a bit further. The surface of Mars has about the same area as the Earth's land area.

Our knowledge of the Solar System is dwarfed by our ignorance of it.
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