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Old November 27th, 2012, 05:43 PM   #1

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The Ancient Alien Argument


I'm rather sick of talking to people who think the pyramids were built by Ancient Aliens. It seems like 100% of them don't know how to evaluate a source properly.

For those believers out there I would like to hear your argument. What evidence do you have for the existence of Ancient Aliens? Please be specific.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 08:16 PM   #2
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I'm rather sick of talking to people who think the pyramids were built by Ancient Aliens. It seems like 100% of them don't know how to evaluate a source properly.

For those believers out there I would like to hear your argument. What evidence do you have for the existence of Ancient Aliens? Please be specific.
"im rather sick of..." people in a 'speculative' forum demanding evidece. But I'll do what I can....anything that interests you please comment and we'll delve deeper...also I will add links if asked.

--the earliest ooparts (Out Of Place ARTifactS) are billions of years old. They are small spheres ranging in size from .5 to 10 cm and showing signs of manipulation by other than natural "hands". these spheres are even considered ooparts in the oopart family where as most artifacts in this category are much younger and stay within the 100 million yr. or younger time frame. it is argued that these are merely concretions which formed in volcanic ash and/or sediment. But when compared to more modern concretions they are much more spherical and symetrical (although they do range from spherical to almost disk-like).

-- some more ooparts to name just a few are Egyptian (and pre Egyptian) depictions of Gods or pharoahs with elongated heads
--actual elongated skulls that when studied are not a result of deformation like many cultures did (to emulate the gods it is speculated)
--the one crystal skull that was shown to be unique amongst the fakes
--hammer in million yr old strata
--antikythera mechanism
--Lepenski Vir sculptures
--Dorchester pot
--kingoodie artifact
--baghdad battery (used for electroplating but still an example of electricity)
--dendera lamps (depictions of lightbulbs in egyptian heiroglyphs)
--Nazca lines

--ancient accounts in every culture of air and spacecraft. models of aricraft that when scaled up were actually aerodynamic enough to take flight (the only alterations made were the adding on of a power source and propellor). The saqarra bird found in egypt also flew when a scale model was tested

--Pacal's sarcophagus lid depicting (arguably) Pacal operating a spacecraft

--Dogu figurines said to depict aliens or astronauts

--The Dogon tribe's knowledge of the sirius star system. Even claims that it invloves a third star...as well as other ancient cultures claims of knowledge of ETs and heavenly bodies that could not be studied without magnification...so either they made telescopes, or someone taught them about these heavenly bodies

--baigong pipes

--Eltanin antenna (possibly a sea sponge though)

--Ica stones

--ancient depictions of possiblr UFOs and ETs as well as modern sightings and abduction accounts

--I may be jumping the gun on this one a bit but I will include the Baltic Sea Anamoly

--"Alien DNA" found in our own....named such because it represents a species only known from the DNA evidence in our DNA, not because it is 'known' to be from ET origin

--organic compounds found in mars soil recently by 'Curiosity' suggests ancient life right next door increasing the odds of interaction

I'll stop there....While most if not all the evidence is circumstantial and flimsy I go by the mere quantity (not even a drop in the bucket covered above). People argue with me when I state alien assistance or intervention that I am insulting early man's intelligence by suggesting they couldn't do it on theri own. I reply with, "If someone helps me build my house it doesn't mean I was too stupid to, or unable to complete it on my own. And I don't feel stupid for having accepted the help."

and if aliens did intervene why would it make early man stupid for using an idea or technology discovered by someone else. Is the US military R and D department 'stupid' for building off of the German rocket technology?

modern scientists searching for extra-solar planets have recently suggested by their findings thus far that planets and planetoids may be more common than stars in the universe. People call me (and people that subscribe to 'alien astronaut theory) arrogant. because we feel mankinds ancestors were stupid (even though we don't think that). I think the nay-sayers are arrogant for believing that life would be unique to this one little rock with nothing special about it (Earth) amongst the trillions of other solar systems out there. And with our species being (commonly accepted) only a few hundred thousand years old in a universe estimated at 14 billion years old it is also arrogant to think that some of those lifeforms that have undoubtedly arisen could easily be much older and therefore much more advanced than us. People tell me today that inter-stellar travel is just too impractical and simply impossible. A hundred years ago people would have told me that space flight is impossible. Hundreds of years ago people would have told me flight was impossible. Further back still they would have disputed a spherical earth, a non geo-centric universe, DNA, medicines, evolution, etc....

In fact, I'm willing to bet if you go back far enough it would have been said that man will never control nature but today then agriculture arose.....I could rattle on for hours but I think I've covered enough for now.....

And, I'll be honest, AAT is based almost entirely on circumstancial evidence and requires a great deal of faith....Hmmmm, that parallels in a very interesting way with every religion that has ever been followed. And if you ask me alien intervention is a little easier to swallow than a 'being' that has always been (older than the universe itself), is omnipitent, omnipresent, and can create something out of nothing by merely willing it to be.....a lot of people like to look down on the ancient astronaut theorists but they should probably examine their own religious beliefs scentifically before they ridicule.
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"im rather sick of..." people in a 'speculative' forum demanding evidece. But I'll do what I can....anything that interests you please comment and we'll delve deeper...also I will add links if asked.

--the earliest ooparts (Out Of Place ARTifactS) are billions of years old. They are small spheres ranging in size from .5 to 10 cm and showing signs of manipulation by other than natural "hands". these spheres are even considered ooparts in the oopart family where as most artifacts in this category are much younger and stay within the 100 million yr. or younger time frame. it is argued that these are merely concretions which formed in volcanic ash and/or sediment. But when compared to more modern concretions they are much more spherical and symetrical (although they do range from spherical to almost disk-like).

-- some more ooparts to name just a few are Egyptian (and pre Egyptian) depictions of Gods or pharoahs with elongated heads
--actual elongated skulls that when studied are not a result of deformation like many cultures did (to emulate the gods it is speculated)
--the one crystal skull that was shown to be unique amongst the fakes
--hammer in million yr old strata
--antikythera mechanism
--Lepenski Vir sculptures
--Dorchester pot
--kingoodie artifact
--baghdad battery (used for electroplating but still an example of electricity)
--dendera lamps (depictions of lightbulbs in egyptian heiroglyphs)
--Nazca lines

--ancient accounts in every culture of air and spacecraft. models of aricraft that when scaled up were actually aerodynamic enough to take flight (the only alterations made were the adding on of a power source and propellor). The saqarra bird found in egypt also flew when a scale model was tested

--Pacal's sarcophagus lid depicting (arguably) Pacal operating a spacecraft

--Dogu figurines said to depict aliens or astronauts

--The Dogon tribe's knowledge of the sirius star system. Even claims that it invloves a third star...as well as other ancient cultures claims of knowledge of ETs and heavenly bodies that could not be studied without magnification...so either they made telescopes, or someone taught them about these heavenly bodies

--baigong pipes

--Eltanin antenna (possibly a sea sponge though)

--Ica stones

--ancient depictions of possiblr UFOs and ETs as well as modern sightings and abduction accounts

--I may be jumping the gun on this one a bit but I will include the Baltic Sea Anamoly

--"Alien DNA" found in our own....named such because it represents a species only known from the DNA evidence in our DNA, not because it is 'known' to be from ET origin

--organic compounds found in mars soil recently by 'Curiosity' suggests ancient life right next door increasing the odds of interaction

I'll stop there....While most if not all the evidence is circumstantial and flimsy I go by the mere quantity (not even a drop in the bucket covered above). People argue with me when I state alien assistance or intervention that I am insulting early man's intelligence by suggesting they couldn't do it on theri own. I reply with, "If someone helps me build my house it doesn't mean I was too stupid to, or unable to complete it on my own. And I don't feel stupid for having accepted the help."

and if aliens did intervene why would it make early man stupid for using an idea or technology discovered by someone else. Is the US military R and D department 'stupid' for building off of the German rocket technology?

modern scientists searching for extra-solar planets have recently suggested by their findings thus far that planets and planetoids may be more common than stars in the universe. People call me (and people that subscribe to 'alien astronaut theory) arrogant. because we feel mankinds ancestors were stupid (even though we don't think that). I think the nay-sayers are arrogant for believing that life would be unique to this one little rock with nothing special about it (Earth) amongst the trillions of other solar systems out there. And with our species being (commonly accepted) only a few hundred thousand years old in a universe estimated at 14 billion years old it is also arrogant to think that some of those lifeforms that have undoubtedly arisen could easily be much older and therefore much more advanced than us. People tell me today that inter-stellar travel is just too impractical and simply impossible. A hundred years ago people would have told me that space flight is impossible. Hundreds of years ago people would have told me flight was impossible. Further back still they would have disputed a spherical earth, a non geo-centric universe, DNA, medicines, evolution, etc....

In fact, I'm willing to bet if you go back far enough it would have been said that man will never control nature but today then agriculture arose.....I could rattle on for hours but I think I've covered enough for now.....

And, I'll be honest, AAT is based almost entirely on circumstancial evidence and requires a great deal of faith....Hmmmm, that parallels in a very interesting way with every religion that has ever been followed. And if you ask me alien intervention is a little easier to swallow than a 'being' that has always been (older than the universe itself), is omnipitent, omnipresent, and can create something out of nothing by merely willing it to be.....a lot of people like to look down on the ancient astronaut theorists but they should probably examine their own religious beliefs scentifically before they ridicule.
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[citations needed, really, really, needed]
as I said, ask on the specifics and I will provide links
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I say pick your favorites and/or most credible links. I'm equally skeptical about all of it.
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If aliens are identified in the foreseeable future, it would be very likely that they were around in our early historical period, too. It's a very short time in astronomical terms.
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I say pick your favorites and/or most credible links. I'm equally skeptical about all of it.
im not wasting the time to find a link on everything....pick a few randoms and ill post them...by the way typing pretty much any of it into google will bring up info...this is the internet you know?
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Any ancient alien theory begins with the premise that aliens exist, have visited us, and then tries to find evidence to support it - as with most fringe theories.

All of these so-called out of place artifacts have been debunked, or are simply not out of place at all.
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