Historum - History Forums  

Go Back   Historum - History Forums > Themes in History > Speculative History
Register Forums Blogs Social Groups Mark Forums Read

Speculative History Speculative History Forum - Alternate History, What If Questions, Pseudo History, and anything outside the boundaries of mainstream historical research


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old December 3rd, 2012, 12:50 PM   #11
Historian
 
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 8,545

I think our contributions to the development and mass production of computational technology will be our biggest legacy. Regardless of what becomes of us, the internet we created and proliferated is going to define the future culture of every society on earth. An homogeneous global culture will be the legacy of the United States, how long we survive as a dominate superpower will simply dictate how much influence we will have on the specifics of this culture.
constantine is offline  
Remove Ads
Old December 3rd, 2012, 01:19 PM   #12
Historian
 
Joined: Mar 2012
From: USA
Posts: 3,290

Quote:
Originally Posted by BrowniesRule View Post
Hollywood, porn industry, malnutrition, shopping malls, fast food, local militias, religious intolerance, control freaks, ride on!
Quote:
Originally Posted by zincwarrior View Post
Tweenkies and The Bomb. Now thats what I call a legacy.
What bothers Canada is that America will be remembered after it's gone, while Canada is usually forgotten even though it's still here.
RoryOMore is offline  
Old December 3rd, 2012, 01:27 PM   #13

Soulstrider's Avatar
Archivist
 
Joined: Jul 2012
From: Portugal
Posts: 227

I would say due to it's similarities with the British Empire It would be a pretty contested issue too.
Soulstrider is offline  
Old December 3rd, 2012, 01:31 PM   #14

AlpinLuke's Avatar
Knight-errant
 
Joined: Oct 2011
From: Lago Maggiore, Italy
Posts: 19,894
Blog Entries: 19

The United States have been the first computed democracy in modern time. France followed a bit later, but the Empire came back at Paris.

America has given to the rest of the world the perception that a people can determinate its destiny in freedom and justice. Despite all.

While in Europe we were still playing with monarchies and empires the Americans were living their young democracy and they were walking towards the development of the most winning and evolving model of society ever.

This is the main legacy: the model.

All the new "arising" giants [China, India, Brazil, Russia ....], well they are all imitating the American model, no way.

But to be a "new America" it's essential to remember also freedom and justice ...
AlpinLuke is offline  
Old December 3rd, 2012, 01:47 PM   #15

okamido's Avatar
knows what the bee knows
 
Joined: Jun 2009
From: land of Califia
Posts: 29,886
Blog Entries: 28

Sounds like some have sour grapes over the fact that historians of the future will only remember Canada, if it is remembered at all, as the 51st State.
okamido is offline  
Old December 3rd, 2012, 02:06 PM   #16

Rongo's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Dec 2011
From: Ohio
Posts: 5,683

Quote:
Originally Posted by BrowniesRule View Post
Hollywood, porn industry, malnutrition, shopping malls, fast food, local militias, religious intolerance, control freaks, ride on!
Quote:
Originally Posted by zincwarrior View Post
Tweenkies and The Bomb. Now thats what I call a legacy.
Well, if that's what's important to you. To each his own, I guess.
Rongo is offline  
Old December 3rd, 2012, 02:19 PM   #17

Belgarion's Avatar
Cynical Optimist
 
Joined: Jul 2011
From: Australia
Posts: 5,697

The historian of the future may look back at the 20th and early 21st centuries and note that there was a country that for a brief hundred year period was able to dominate world affairs due to a fortunate combination of geograpical, political, economic and technological factors that have rarely come into such an alignment in human history. The historian may further note that for all its potential this country was only dominant for a very short while compared to the Romans, Greeks or various other world leaders.
Belgarion is offline  
Old December 3rd, 2012, 02:27 PM   #18

Pacific_Victory's Avatar
Conseiller du Roi
 
Joined: Oct 2011
From: MARE PACIFICVM
Posts: 7,358

Quote:
Originally Posted by Belgarion View Post
The historian of the future may look back at the 20th and early 21st centuries and note that there was a country that for a brief hundred year period was able to dominate world affairs due to a fortunate combination of geograpical, political, economic and technological factors that have rarely come into such an alignment in human history. The historian may further note that for all its potential this country was only dominant for a very short while compared to the Romans, Greeks or various other world leaders.
This.

Though I have a feeling that when the United States does finally lose its world dominance, that will be the end of global hegemony. For anybody.
Pacific_Victory is online now  
Old December 3rd, 2012, 05:09 PM   #19

Panthera tigris altaica's Avatar
Funyuns
 
Joined: Aug 2011
From: Texas
Posts: 7,050
Blog Entries: 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by ucanefan View Post
There have been many civilizations crumble throughout history and I found myself wondering what the memory of America would be should tht happen to us. Would history be kind to us? Some say we are on our downfall as we speak.
Personally, i think we are still in the apogee stage. The question that often dominates my mind is what will the fall be like when it comes, not when. Will it be a relatively smooth transition to another power, or would it be the chaos that Europe suffered through after the fall of Rome, albeit on a global scale? As for the "when", ugh... it is dominating too much thought for any serious historian to contemplate, unless a person has a passing interest in pseudo-history.

Quote:
Disregard reasons for why America ceased to exist but if tomorrow it was gone.
The complexity of the question has only one answer, Chaos. No one single power is ready to fill the power vacuum. What would become of the 21st century is entirely speculative, but it most certainly would not be pretty with several hundred countries suddenly thrust into a position of staking out a claims of dominance or naked survival, and only a half dozen to a dozen would really have a fighting chance of thriving, but there would be no guarantees.

People might pin their hopes on China, but i don't think China will really care all that much for the problems of others and would do whatever they could to secure their own future. So my guess, a hundred or two hundred years from now, people and nations, may still be struggling from the overnight disappearance of the US. After 400-500 years, the pieces of societies and international polities might start to resemble what we now have and an understanding the how and the why might be a source of imagination and inquiry for millenniums too come. Hypothetically speaking that is.
Panthera tigris altaica is offline  
Old December 3rd, 2012, 05:17 PM   #20

Callisto's Avatar
Archivist
 
Joined: Oct 2012
From: The Mile High City
Posts: 197

Depends on who's writing up the story, but I'd imagine it would be both romanticized like democratic Athens and held up as an example of utter hedonism like imperial Rome.
Callisto is offline  
Reply

  Historum > Themes in History > Speculative History

Tags
america, legacy



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Churchill's legacy Hostile1 General History 19 February 21st, 2014 05:29 AM
Would Lincoln Like His Legacy? ucanefan Speculative History 19 July 12th, 2012 04:32 PM
Jacksonian Democracy, its Legacy, and how that Legacy is Affected by Indian Removal DPNorman American History 29 April 7th, 2012 03:18 AM
The mission: Jesuit legacy in Latin America pinguin American History 7 October 9th, 2009 02:33 PM

Copyright © 2006-2013 Historum. All rights reserved.