Historum - History Forums  

Go Back   Historum - History Forums > Themes in History > Speculative History
Register Forums Blogs Social Groups Mark Forums Read

Speculative History Speculative History Forum - Alternate History, What If Questions, Pseudo History, and anything outside the boundaries of mainstream historical research


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old December 5th, 2012, 05:17 AM   #41

Sargon of Akkad's Avatar
Backworldsman
 
Joined: Jun 2009
From: Glorious England
Posts: 6,984

Quote:
Originally Posted by constantine View Post
I think you're confusing the world wide web (and the hyper text transfer protocol) with the internet (TCP/IP protocol). The internet was developed by the US Department of Defense; though you should be happy to hear that a British computer scientist was still an essential player:

Donald Davies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And of course, none of this would have been possible without the contributions of Alan Turing, who was probably the greatest mind of the 20th century...easily beating out Einstein.

But, with all that said, my point wasn't so much about early research in Computer science, to which the British contributed greatly (well, some British computer scientists did, considering the British government essentially killed Turing, they have probably done more to undermine technological development in the 20th century than any other government on earth).The point was more one about the development of the global infrastructure and the commercialization of networking, which, at least initially, was largely an American endeavour...and still generally is. The internet remains dominated by American companies.
I'm not, but many people do. It's like attributing the invention of the car to the Sumerians because they invented the wheel.
Sargon of Akkad is offline  
Remove Ads
Old December 5th, 2012, 08:04 AM   #42
Historian
 
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 3,417

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sargon of Akkad View Post
I'm not, but many people do. It's like attributing the invention of the car to the Sumerians because they invented the wheel.
Not exactly, the World Wide Web was just a protocol that took off on top of a network of communications infrastructure that took decades of R&D to develop, a better analogy would be that you're trying to attribute the invention of the automobile to the guy who invented power steering.

And the British did play a substantial role, Britain was the pioneer in computer science and very influential in the early years. But when the field became commercialized, the Americans commercialized faster and British influence began to wane in the field.
constantine is offline  
Old December 5th, 2012, 12:39 PM   #43

Koko the Monkey's Avatar
Academician
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 99

It depends very much on how America collapses. If America slowly wanes and is gradually eclipsed by other nations (like the UK), then it may be looked upon favorably. But if its collapse is sudden and chaotic, it may be looked upon negatively (like the USSR).
Koko the Monkey is offline  
Old December 5th, 2012, 01:16 PM   #44
Suspended indefinitely
 
Joined: Mar 2010
From: Montréal
Posts: 512

Quote:
Originally Posted by RoryOMore View Post
What bothers Canada is that America will be remembered after it's gone, while Canada is usually forgotten even though it's still here.
Well, Canada is starting to have an openly aggressive ideology of international relations, and Stephen Harper's doing all he can to ''build'' a Canadian identity. With enough patriotism, weapons, insecurity and racism, we'll be swearing allegiance to the flag and be addicted to sex soon enough.
Personally, I'd rather see Quebec remembered anyway.
BrowniesRule is offline  
Old December 5th, 2012, 03:25 PM   #45

Mike Lynch's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Aug 2012
From: Maryland
Posts: 1,220

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sargon of Akkad View Post
I'm not, but many people do. It's like attributing the invention of the car to the Sumerians because they invented the wheel.
No, it's like attributing the invention of the computer to Microsoft because they built Windows. The world wide web isn't internet, but everyone uses www. when using the internet.
Mike Lynch is offline  
Old December 5th, 2012, 03:26 PM   #46

Mike Lynch's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Aug 2012
From: Maryland
Posts: 1,220

Quote:
Originally Posted by BrowniesRule View Post
Well, Canada is starting to have an openly aggressive ideology of international relations, and Stephen Harper's doing all he can to ''build'' a Canadian identity. With enough patriotism, weapons, insecurity and racism, we'll be swearing allegiance to the flag and be addicted to sex soon enough.
Personally, I'd rather see Quebec remembered anyway.
You already do, it's just easier to point out the flaws in others than in yourself. I personally left Quebec because of some of the problems you've mentioned above.
Mike Lynch is offline  
Old December 5th, 2012, 08:54 PM   #47

ucanefan's Avatar
Scholar
 
Joined: Apr 2012
From: Asheville/Charlotte NC
Posts: 743

Lot of great points in here
ucanefan is offline  
Old December 5th, 2012, 10:21 PM   #48

Bishop's Avatar
Scholar
 
Joined: Mar 2012
From: City of Angels
Posts: 697

No where to run ain't got no where to go...

Bishop is offline  
Old December 5th, 2012, 11:31 PM   #49
Historian
 
Joined: Jan 2012
From: Northern part of European lowland
Posts: 1,080

The OP may imply very different developments, depending upon what kind of "downfall". There is no reason the population of the territtory in question should disappear, unless there is a global catastrophe unprecedented in at least written history.
There is little reason to think the union should dissappear either - unless for some reason its people or part of it decides so. Its "leadership" or "dominant position" or "empire" is much more questionable, as is the future attraction of its culture and "ways of living", its society and ot´rganisation.
Fantasus is offline  
Reply

  Historum > Themes in History > Speculative History

Tags
america, legacy


Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Churchill's legacy Hostile1 General History 19 February 21st, 2014 04:29 AM
Would Lincoln Like His Legacy? ucanefan Speculative History 19 July 12th, 2012 03:32 PM
Jacksonian Democracy, its Legacy, and how that Legacy is Affected by Indian Removal DPNorman American History 29 April 7th, 2012 02:18 AM
The mission: Jesuit legacy in Latin America pinguin American History 7 October 9th, 2009 01:33 PM

Copyright © 2006-2013 Historum. All rights reserved.