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Old December 7th, 2012, 04:02 AM   #1

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Re-visiting the "Hidden Hand" Contact


Considering we are nearing the 21/12/2012 date , i decided the other day to re-read the so called "hidden Hand" internet contact which i had read from a few years ago......this "Outsider " was claiming he/she was a member of what we call elites , and said they were here to explain some of the reasons for the world economic crisis..... about how Lucifer......and Yahweh appeared in our mythology.and that in two weeks time there will be a judgement by our creator , and a "harvest" of souls ,depending on previous karma.

Get past the first few pages , where people are obviously questioning the "outsiders" legitimacy , and there are some very interesting questions and answers.......making you think outside the box,

For me a visitor/questioner called David Shelby or Shelby David who arrived on the scene in the 3rd session seemed to be a clincher that the whole thing was a set up , but for those who have the patience to read through it, it is still a very thought provoking interview ..see what you think!


http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

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Old December 7th, 2012, 07:56 AM   #2

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Not even one reply ?........i thought even though we might not believe the outsider , the philosophy he said was the way of the world , might at least have been worthy of some thought or discussion.......maybe i should have put it in the religion forum......or maybe i am just wrong, and it is not interesting to anyone else at all .
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Not even one reply ?........i thought even though we might not believe the outsider , the philosophy he said was the way of the world , might at least have been worthy of some thought or discussion.......maybe i should have put it in the religion forum......or maybe i am just wrong, and it is not interesting to anyone else at all .
I have seen the website, and it is interesting...if only for the speculation.

I'm at work atm so not sure i want that on my screen...might get some funny looks

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I think you might get a better response, if you would distill the content of the website or link posted down to its' essence. Most people do not have the time to sally through every link people choose to post on these OPs. And I only check out the first couple of paragraphs of any that interest me. If the essential intent is not in those first few paragraphs, then I simply cannot afford to waste my time reading any further.
Apparently, from what you did state in your OP, there is some secret group operating behind the scenes, that believes it is guiding the destiny of mankind. There seems to be a plethora of such groups and "conspiracies" all over the place. Moreover, there probably are several such groups in actual existence. However, the "real powers that be" do not advertise.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 11:47 AM   #5

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Ok i will try to explain a little of what "Hidden Hand "was saying:-

As the Universe expands , matter comes together to form planets , life evolves on them and different demi-gods are given control over them, to oversee and aid in a very hands off way , to ensure that the planet and its occupants evolve......

a demi-god named Yahweh was given the earth to oversee , Yahweh however did not introduce many tools for man to use to learn either who he was , or what was right or wrong , and did not give us free will , as a result of which man on earth lived in a form of utopia , but under a benign dictator .with no wars , no disagreements , no shortages of food etc , but we were not evolving as thinking humans as god wanted us to , and as the universal law required.


God therefore sent one of his highest and most trusted followers to earth to assess what was going wrong, this was Lucifer who reported back to god , that the people needed to be given free will , and the knowledge of right and wrong as a form of catalyst so that over time man could work out for himself what was right and wrong , and whether he wanted to be intrinsically good or bad, and that this was the only way for man to evolve.

Apparently God agreed with Lucifer and bound him to a contract to fulfill this goal , and sent him with a band of followers to earth to accomplish it.......Hidden Hand explains that Yahweh was the God that was letting the people on earth down, and explains that is why God sent Lucifer to be Devils Advocate to the earth.......and that Lucifer is following Gods orders.

This is just a short precee of a much more detailed story that Hidden Hand tells about a Judgement which will come at the end of the current era , which is in just a couple of weeks time from today........He explains what will happpen to those of us that have chosen to lead evil lives , where those who chose to lead good lives will go , and finally what will happen to those of us that they call "luke warm" who have not evolved yet into even properly considering the subject......

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Old December 7th, 2012, 01:05 PM   #6

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God told Lucifer to play Devils Advocate. Sorry but are you saying that God told Lucifer to invent the Devil to give man freedom of choice to follow a path of good or evil.
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No i am not saying that , i just posted the link !

but that is what the hidden hand character is saying , that Lucifer is playing the part of showing us evil , after having given us free will .......... then after lifetimes of only experiencing a non thinking , non eventful , life with no choices , his job has been to show us both good and evil , for us to choose what we are and what we want.......he is saying , he is not himself evil , that is the job he has been given to do , until the end of the era.... and i put the link up hopefully for consideration, and discussion
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Ok i will try to explain a little of what "Hidden Hand "was saying:-

As the Universe expands , matter comes together to form planets , life evolves on them and different demi-gods are given control over them, to oversee and aid in a very hands off way , to ensure that the planet and its occupants evolve......

a demi-god named Yahweh was given the earth to oversee , Yahweh however did not introduce many tools for man to use to learn either who he was , or what was right or wrong , and did not give us free will , as a result of which man on earth lived in a form of utopia , but under a benign dictator .with no wars , no disagreements , no shortages of food etc , but we were not evolving as thinking humans as god wanted us to , and as the universal law required.


God therefore sent one of his highest and most trusted followers to earth to assess what was going wrong, this was Lucifer who reported back to god , that the people needed to be given free will , and the knowledge of right and wrong as a form of catalyst so that over time man could work out for himself what was right and wrong , and whether he wanted to be intrinsically good or bad, and that this was the only way for man to evolve.

Apparently God agreed with Lucifer and bound him to a contract to fulfill this goal , and sent him with a band of followers to earth to accomplish it.......Hidden Hand explains that Yahweh was the God that was letting the people on earth down, and explains that is why God sent Lucifer to be Devils Advocate to the earth.......and that Lucifer is following Gods orders.

This is just a short precee of a much more detailed story that Hidden Hand tells about a Judgement which will come at the end of the current era , which is in just a couple of weeks time from today........He explains what will happpen to those of us that have chosen to lead evil lives , where those who chose to lead good lives will go , and finally what will happen to those of us that they call "luke warm" who have not evolved yet into even properly considering the subject......
So, in essence, "the Hidden Hand" is the intervention of a god or creator into the affairs of man? Not a novel idea by any standard. However, early man had to have some form of relatable answers as to why things existed. And often the explanations offered were used by clever men to ingratiate their own lives and expand their power over other men. This is called "civilization."
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I have every intention of logging in on the 22nd and shouting `bah humbug`,
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Old December 8th, 2012, 11:59 AM   #10

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Well that proves you didn't bother to read it .........whether it is right or it is wrong..

as he explains only a very small number of the population of the world will graduate , the vast majority will just continue with their lives , die and be reborn until the end of the next era , when the next judgement will be , so the chances are most of us on this board will not even realise anything happpened, the small percentage of people that do move on will just be thought to have died of natural causes.

anyway i said at the first post i thought it was a fake interview......but just thought some people may enjoy reading his explanation of the way he says this all works... which i thought was interesting.........no worries..no loss to me , just let the thread die
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