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Old December 9th, 2012, 09:04 AM   #1

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What if Hitler had won the war


If hitler had won the war,with did not attack again USSR.What happened?What we thought about Hitler?

In my opinion,most of people thought he was a great commander.
Germany founded EU,but 4 countries joined it:Germany,Italy,Spain,USSR

But things that i talk about is very complicated.So talk your minds
what happened
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Old December 9th, 2012, 09:17 AM   #2

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If hitler had won the war,with did not attack again USSR.What happened?What we thought about Hitler?

In my opinion,most of people thought he was a great commander.
Germany founded EU,but 4 countries joined it:Germany,Italy,Spain,USSR

But things that i talk about is very complicated.So talk your minds
what happened


Few pepople thought Hitler was a great commander, they simply never told him that he wasn`t
As for this 4 country EU, i am not sure that it a pig that can fly.
The rest is muddled guesswork. Has Great Britain still got an empire. Did Japan attack America. How close are Stalin and Hitler. Who controls Ezypt and the Suez canal. Sorry but just too many variables to give a detailed reply.
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Why would the Nazi's who hated communism come to any sort of longterm understanding with the USSR?
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Old December 9th, 2012, 04:38 PM   #4

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If hitler had won the war,with did not attack again USSR.What happened?What we thought about Hitler?

In my opinion,most of people thought he was a great commander.
Germany founded EU,but 4 countries joined it:Germany,Italy,Spain,USSR

But things that i talk about is very complicated.So talk your minds
what happened
Historically the Soviet Union offered to be a member of the Axis. Hitler didn't respond.

Stalin was begging for an end to the war when the Germans were at the gates of Moscow, offering some pretty big concessions. (Knowing Stalin, he probably was just trying to buy some time and get a little more distance between Hitler and Moscow in order to build up Soviet industry) Hitler said no.

Hitler was a terrible commander. There's no way in hell that Germany under Hitler could have won, as his whole strategy was Urals or nothing.

Hitler devoted military resources to industrial-scale genocide, taking valuable resources away from the war effort (both in killed potential workers/soldiers and the people and resources used to kill them).

For the Germans to win the second European war, you'd need someone smarter than Hitler in charge. Perhaps Goring or a different far-right dictatorship? Maybe even the communists.
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Stalin was begging for an end to the war when the Germans were at the gates of Moscow, offering some pretty big concessions. (Knowing Stalin, he probably was just trying to buy some time and get a little more distance between Hitler and Moscow in order to build up Soviet industry) Hitler said no.
Any source(s) on this statement?
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Who says the communists wouldn't attack Nazi Germany?
Can Germany keep Europe under control?
There are !;many scenarios here and the only way this topic will be usefull is if we choose one.
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Any source(s) on this statement?
I've seen it mentioned on multiple threads at Alternatehistory.com.
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I've seen it mentioned on multiple threads at Alternatehistory.com.
If that is a serious answer, it is therefore an unsourced statement.

AFAIK no mercy was offered nor asked all along Barbarossa proper.
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If hitler had won the war,with did not attack again USSR.What happened?What we thought about Hitler?

In my opinion,most of people thought he was a great commander.
Germany founded EU,but 4 countries joined it:Germany,Italy,Spain,USSR

But things that i talk about is very complicated.So talk your minds
what happened
I dont think people thought him as a "great commander" in the beggining of the war, pherhaps, in the end through, he is described as a "lunatic" commander. He should of listened to his generals..... Even if he did not attack the Soviets, he might lose, I think the soviets were planning to invade the germans in 1942 anywas. i think..... If germany won the war, germany should sign a treaty with Britain, Rommel defeats them in Africa, win Normandy, and Hitler change his mind on stalinguard,kursk ,then he will have to defeat the Soviets, that will be hard.
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Operation Barbarossa - Cut Short
Axis History Forum • View topic - Stalin Sought Peace Treaty With Hitler?

Not the best of sources, but still they're something.

He apparently offered Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bukovina, Bessabaria, and the territories won from Finland in the winter war.

At the time Crimea was a part of the RSFSR, so that would have stayed with the Soviet Union I think.

Like I said above, Stalin probably was just trying to buy time to build up industry in the rest of the Soviet Union. Since the territories to be ceded were already under German occupation and thus useless to the war effort at the time, it only would have been a positive at the moment in time.

The US would probably still have been funneling lend-lease into the Soviet Union, so by 1942-1943 the Germans would have been in big trouble. Especially considering the amount of resources that would have been wasted trying to keep the Ukrainians (who were treated like dirt despite welcoming the Germans initially, terrible planning on the Nazis part but they're insane ideology made such terrible treatment inevitable) down with Soviet weapons being smuggled in.
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