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Old December 10th, 2012, 02:41 PM   #1
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Let us discuss the similarities between many wide ranging cultures' creation myths. Not only in details of their stories but, in many cases, similarities in words and names. Even between cultures that are thought to have had no contact with one another and whose languages have no connection later than pre-proto languages.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 06:36 PM   #2
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Alright, I guess I'll have to start it off. Abrahamic and Sumerian similarities. The latter obviously the older of the 4 and hence the origins of the Abrahamic counterparts.

--creation of mankind
--creation of a garden unique on the Earth for the animals and mankind and also inhabited by "God"(s).
--corruption of man by "God"(s)
--World wide destruction by flood
--certain group of people informed of impending flood and instructed to build a boat by "God"(s).
--storm that brought water lasted 7 days and nights
--in Sumerian version garden reinhabited after flood
--fallen "angels/gods"
--tower reaching "heaven"

we'll stop there for now. I feel that all these examples make it obvious that since so many tales were borrowed from the sumerians (whether the events actually happened or not) that the Abrahamic religions are faulty and that none of them could actually be cosidered the one true religion (if there is such a thing). But many today still follow, devoutly, these modern examples of an explanation of man's origins
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Old December 11th, 2012, 06:52 AM   #3
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Similarities between Abrahamic, and Egyptian and Sumerian creation stories clearly show that they were adapted from the same source.
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Some of the similarities such as creation of mankind, a 'golden age' such as Eden which is then lost through Man's own corruption, fallen angels etc, I don't find especially surprising as they seem to me like natural conclusions to reach when questioning one's origins.

The flood thing though, this is interesting especially as there seems to be some archaeological evidence of a flood in reality. Although as for a 'chosen few' surviving said flood because of divine intervention, this again seems like a natural conclusion to come to.
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Considering that a number of Judeo-Christian demons have been adopted from earlier religions from that region, it should be no surprise that religions originating from the same approximate geographical area bear similarities.
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One interesting observation that I have made is that the materials that the gods make us out of roughly corresponds to skin color in several myths.

Middle Eastern: Clay/dirt/mud
Norse: Wood
Hopi: Baked in an oven
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Similarities between Abrahamic, and Egyptian and Sumerian creation stories clearly show that they were adapted from the same source.
Or at least that there was an exchange of ideas.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 10:09 AM   #8

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Similarities between Abrahamic, and Egyptian and Sumerian creation stories clearly show that they were adapted from the same source.
A garden, a ship, god-like men and a great destruction by water. Something all the ancient civilizations appear to have in common.
How about this for the very likely source of all this mythos?
Atlantis was considered an isolated and prosperous arena of natural beauty...a garden. Atlantis was a very powerful advanced society of god-like men. The Annanuki to some, the Fallen and/or the Titans to others. The Atlanteans may have mastered some form of flight. And possibly other fundamental technologies. Even some form of electricity. Atlantis was reputedly also a great sea power. So they definitely knew how to build ships.
No farmer in an agrarian society is going to even remotely construct a ship of the dimensions and technology ascribed to Noah's ark. So the historical Noah must have been an actual professional ship builder. And this great Ark was most likely built by a master shipbuilder on Atlantis. A ship designed to carry people, rare or domesticated animals, necessities and a few cultural goods from the doomed continent.
The "Great Flood" would have been the very natural consequences of a land mass the size of Atlantis rapidly sinking beneath the waves of the Atlantic Ocean and thus displacing an equal volume of water corresponding to the mass of Atlantis. Moreover, Noah's Ark may not have been the only boat used to attempt to escape this impending catastrophe. However, it may have been one of the very few to survive a 1-2 mile high Tsunamic wave of water. A tsunami of collosal proportions, which traveled over the entire surface of all the connecting bodies of water on the earth. Creating massive and unforgettable destruction by those who survived it. It also may very well have carried an Atlantean vessel to a mountain top in Turkey. Turkey is also the place where currently the oldest known civilization once existed. Gobekli Tepe. A site now dated at precisely the time Plato also stated for the demise of Atlantis. 9500 BCE.
Mt. Ararat is only 300 miles from Gobekli Tepe. And this same area of the world also seems to be the foci for most of the advanced abilities that accompanied the rise of Indo-European languages and all the future in situ civilizations of the Middle East.
It would also be logical for the survivors of Atlantis to make some form of visual homage to their now lost homeland. All of Gobekli Tepe's temples are arranged in the design of three concentric rings. An architectonic representation singular to the geography of Atlantis as ascribed by Plato. This three ringed homage is also found in other locations as well. And at some of the oldest constructed complexes known to science.
Today, in the news, the man responsible for discovering the Titanic and other lost ships, claims to know where the Ark of Noah actually is. He believes it is in Turkey. And is making plans to locate it. This guy is obviously no fool.
If any object holds the key to proving the existence of an advanced sea going power 12,000 years ago, such as Atlantis; it would be the discovery of Noah's Ark. And if such a ship can be actually located, it will tell us much about the methods and technologies known in the building of large sea-going vessels 12,000 years ago. Knowledge that will certainly revolutionize our understanding of the huge gap in our information of ancient humanity. Especially previous to 5,000 BCE.
The discovery of a salt residue in the sea contact surfaces of the Ark will also tell us how it arrived to wherever it is currently located.
What might be even more revealing is if writing, art objects or other means of cultural "identification" can also be found among its' remains.
The next ten years may prove very embarassing to the many naysayers in the archeological community, especially those without imaginations.

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Some of the similarities such as creation of mankind, a 'golden age' such as Eden which is then lost through Man's own corruption, fallen angels etc, I don't find especially surprising as they seem to me like natural conclusions to reach when questioning one's origins.

The flood thing though, this is interesting especially as there seems to be some archaeological evidence of a flood in reality. Although as for a 'chosen few' surviving said flood because of divine intervention, this again seems like a natural conclusion to come to.
Flood myths do seem to be nearly universal. Man tends to live near bodies of water, and floods are a routine occurrence in nature. Though it's possible that there were larger floods than normal towards the end of the last ice age. We have found lots of evidence of small localized floods, but nothing on a global scale.
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Flood myths do seem to be nearly universal. Man tends to live near bodies of water, and floods are a routine occurrence in nature. Though it's possible that there were larger floods than normal towards the end of the last ice age. We have found lots of evidence of small localized floods, but nothing on a global scale.
This is true, yes, but 'global' to us means the whole planet while 'global' to older civilisations was a much more limited concept. Indeed the word itself is only a few hundred years old, so I'd replace it in this context with something like "world-wide".

But anyway, while a historical flood from our 21st Century perspective might well seem small and localised, I find it quite believable that to those who lived through it at the time, it could have appeared to cover the whole world.
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