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Old December 11th, 2012, 06:40 AM   #31

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Old December 11th, 2012, 06:57 AM   #32

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I don't And I'd love to know how 'modern tests' researched that secenario...
To put it simply, we live in times where almost everyone has some or other level of education in Science and Maths. We know that 1 + 1 = 2, and this is an indisputable FACT. So if someone came along and said 1 + 0 = 2, would you believe them??? Even if they "believe" and have "faith" that they are correct, are they correct???
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Old December 11th, 2012, 07:09 AM   #33

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To put it simply, we live in times where almost everyone has some or other level of education in Science and Maths. We know that 1 + 1 = 2, and this is an indisputable FACT. So if someone came along and said 1 + 0 = 2, would you believe them??? Even if they "believe" and have "faith" that they are correct, are they correct???
Ta. I thought probably something like that.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 08:17 AM   #34

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I wonder what the equivalent for a Milk Man was in first century Palestine?

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I wonder what the equivalent was for a Milk Man was in first century Palestine?
The Yoghurt Man?
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Old December 11th, 2012, 08:22 AM   #36
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IF virgin birth were possible (it is in some species, called Parthenogenesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), the resulting offspring would be female.
Actually, that would be true only for some species. In some reptiles, crocodiles I think, sex is determined by the temperature the egg hatches. In birds, having 2 of the sme sex chromosomes (WW) makes the bird male, the opposite of mammals. So for mammals, parthenogesis would result in only females, but not for other animals.
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Actually, that would be true only for some species. In some reptiles, crocodiles I think, sex is determined by the temperature the egg hatches. In birds, having 2 of the sme sex chromosomes (WW) makes the bird male, the opposite of mammals. So for mammals, parthenogesis would result in only females, but not for other animals.
Are you sure? I don't understand it well enough to comment with authority, but since there is no external source of male DNA in a partheogenic birth, the child must necessarily be a clone of the mother, and therefore have the same copies of the chromosomes as the mother has, whatever way around it is in that species.
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The Yoghurt Man?
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Are you sure? I don't understand it well enough to comment with authority, but since there is no external source of male DNA in a partheogenic birth, the child must necessarily be a clone of the mother, and therefore have the same copies of the chromosomes as the mother has, whatever way around it is in that species.
Although the male sperm acts as a trigger for egg division, parthogenesis is actually an egg that spontaneously begins to divide and mature into a fully viable organism of the species it derives from. Since "males" once originated in female DNA far back in time, all female DNA of any species with males could feasibly still contain the DNA architecture for the creation of a male by parthogenesis. Same sex birthing by parthogenesis would most likely seem to be the easier proclivity. However, whatever is possible through the mechanics of DNA lies either within its' long existing potential or through mutation. Technically, all males originally were first created thru parthogenesis, so it is reasonable to assume that this potential still lies within the DNA of every female of all species that has males in them. However, it appears that the more complex a species becomes the less likely parthogenesis seems to occur. Yet it may not be outside the knowledge of science to discover a trigger for parthogenesis among human females. This would halt the natural evolutionary potential of the human genome which was exponentially increased in all species by the introduction of males. Unless science has also discovered how to create self-evolution. With self-evolution the need for the male gender would become obsolete. Self-evolution would make it possible to create any organism for any purpose.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 09:31 AM   #40

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Virgin birth. Was the basis of the virgin births in some religions based on actual accounts of conception without intercourse? Or, more likely, A lie about an afair that kind of got a little out of hand?
In the days when women could be done in by their husbands with a whim, I am sure it would behoove them to say that Zeus (or insert diety here) ravished them when an unexpected pregnancy begins to show.
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