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Old December 12th, 2012, 02:17 AM   #21

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If anceints really did have spaceships the only survivors were indians.
Rest most probablly destroyed during whatever war or calamity happened and bought everyone back to stones and spears age.
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Old December 12th, 2012, 03:23 AM   #22

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Then why doesn't he say Panjab University? Can someone cite the good doctor and provide some academic references?
I am not sure but i think there is university of chandigarh too
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Not only do we have the Sanskrit texts, but we have information provided by "a great scholar, Subbaraya Sastry, who, in a state of yogic trance, is said to have orally dictated the spacecraft technology in a period somewhere between 1875 and 1919, which was recorded by his disciples. The text, a copy of which is still in Nepal's Royal Library, contained technical details on assembling, fabricating and erecting a spacecraft, the metals, semi-conductors, advanced alloys used and other minute aeronautical information. Though quite difficult to be believed on the face of it, the fact that this technology did not exist anywhere in the world - not even in America and Europe - in the mentioned period, makes it hard for one to disbelieve.

The technical information given in Sastry's texts was as minute, precise and clear, as if it were a 'Make your own spacecraft' or a 'Spacecraft technology in 30 days' except for the Sanskrit language used, which was very much archaic and obsolete, Mr. Prabhu said. On a tip on making an alloy, the text said 'Krishnaseesam Chanjanikam Vajrathundam samamsathaha' from which the real meaning of 'Vajrathundam' (used in that context), could not be found in any contemporary Sanskrit dictionary. ''After a great amount of interaction with ayurvedic specialists and Swamijis with intuitive interpretations, it turned out to be the cactus plant,'' he said."

The spacecraft were invisible furthermore:

"Another interesting fact he gave was that the spacecraft could become invisible on its own. The lead alloy (Thamogarbha loha) used in making the body of the spacecraft would absorb light around it in a photo chemical reaction that would make it disappear."

They flew through a form of nuclear power:
"'Though the texts explained that the spacecraft was propelled by 'Sourasakthi', modern solar technology does not generate so much power to drag a rocket', he pointed out. Later he found out to his bewilderment that it was a kind of 'nuclear power' that was used in those days. 'The solar power, when coupled with gamma rays produced nuclear energy that had the power to propel a rocket'"

More here: Ancient Indian Spacecraft And Aircraft Technology

Pictures here: http://vaimanika.com/blog/tag/subbaraya-shastry/

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More evidence here, though modestly presented:

"Apparently (and it’s a big apparently since I can’t find any evidence for this) the Soviet scientists have also found ‘age-old instruments used in navigating cosmic vehicles’ in the caves in the Gobi desert and Turkestan. They have a drop of mercury inside and are hemispherical. Could it be a Vimana?

Of course I don’t know how credible this is but if indeed this is true...more evidence to add to quite a substantial pile already."

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread730947/pg1

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"Another interesting fact he gave was that the spacecraft could become invisible on its own. The lead alloy (Thamogarbha loha) used in making the body of the spacecraft would absorb light around it in a photo chemical reaction that would make it disappear."
Allow me to be picky again (I know, I know, all these things are minor details and I should know better than to question them, but you know, I'm just doing this for the sake of being complete and I'm sure these things are dealt with) - but if the alloy absorbed light, it wouldn't be invisible. You would see a big black spaceship shaped object. In order for it to be invisible, it would have to retransmit that light on the other side of the object.
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Allow me to be picky again (I know, I know, all these things are minor details and I should know better than to question them, but you know, I'm just doing this for the sake of being complete and I'm sure these things are dealt with) - but if the alloy absorbed light, it wouldn't be invisible. You would see a big black spaceship shaped object. In order for it to be invisible, it would have to retransmit that light on the other side of the object.
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may be he was talking about stealth technology , which makes aircraft invisible to radars, it only involves absorption of em or radio waves
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That's quite all right, you make a cogent point about this minor issue. But I assume that you're quite happy about the mode of propulsion, solar power coupled with gamma rays producing nuclear energy? Though some sources point to a mercury-based fuel; perhaps a form of giant battery, I must investigate further.
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may be he was talking about stealth technology , which makes aircraft invisible to radars, it only involves absorption of em or radio waves
Possibly. Alternatively, he was talking out of an orifice not normally used for vocal communication, assuming he is a genuine person.
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That's quite all right, you make a cogent point about this minor issue. But I assume that you're quite happy about the mode of propulsion, solar power coupled with gamma rays producing nuclear energy? Though some sources point to a mercury-based fuel; perhaps a form of giant battery, I must investigate further.
Gamma rays, eh? I thought gamma rays were primarily used for producing hulks, mainly of the incredible kind. I'll need to consult my alien masters to get you an answer on that, although they're a little busy at the moment teaching the locals on the planet Zeptach III how to build pyramids.
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Alright so it is obvious this thread is sarcastic We can continue as we are going and mock this idea of ancient aircraft and spacecraft technology and entertain ourselves silly. But I want to take the thread in a more serious direction.

Let's talk facts:

The description of aircraft(vimanas) in Sanskrit texts, both religious and secular is a blatant fact. Every Indian knows this. It is a fact that vimanas are mentioned in Indian texts which purport to be actual history - non fiction. There are even famous aircrafts used by Indian kings known to Indians such as Ravana's Pushpak vimana. It is a fact that vimanas are described throughout Indian literature as real - and it also a fact that a Sanskrit text on architecture and engineering, Samarangasutradhara in the section "On Machines" describes a flying aircraft, replete with a description of its engine and flight instructions:
Strong and durable must the body of the Vimana be made, like a great flying bird of light material. Inside one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus underneath. By means of the power latent in the mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky. The movements of the Vimana are such that it can vertically ascend, vertically descend, and move slanting forwards and backwards. With the help of the machines human beings can fly in the air and heavenly beings can come down to earth”
That very same text describes what we now know as the antikeythra mechanism

It is a fact that the first aircraft flown Marutshakti was by an Indian scientist Talpade, and actual records of this flight are recorded. Talpade apparently claimed he was following ancient Sanskrit texts in its construction.

Now, finally the Vymaanika shastra. I agree this text is highly dubious and has questionable origins, I am inclined to reject it completely. Except, there is tiny problem, probably not even worth mentioning, but:

Indian scientists have built a new kind of spectrometer and manufactured a new kind of stealth material by following the instructions in the text! It was credible enough to be published in India's most prestigious science journal: Indian journal of history of science:

The spectrometer:

http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/rawdatau...005afc_611.pdf

The stealth material:
A glass-like material based on technology found in an ancient Sanskrit text that could ultimately be used in a stealth bomber (the material cannot be detected by radar) has been developed by a research scholar of Benaras Hindu University. Prof M A Lakshmithathachar, Director of the Academy of Sanskrit Research in Melkote, near Mandya, told Deccan Herald that tests conducted with the material showed radars could not detect it. “The unique material cannot be traced by radar and so a plane coated with it cannot be detected using radar,” he said.

The academy had been commissioned by the Aeronautical Research Development Board, New Delhi, to take up a one-year study, ‘Non-conventional approach to Aeronautics,’ on the basis of an old text, Vaimanika Shastra, authored by Bharadwaj. Though the period to which Bharadwaj belonged to is not very clear, Prof Lakshmithathachar noted, the manuscripts might be more 1,000 years old. The project aims at deciphering the Bharadwaj’s concepts in aviation.

However, Prof Lakshmithathachar was quick to add that a collaborative effort from scholars of Sanskrit, physics, mathematics and aeronautics is needed to understand Bharadwaj’s shastra. The country’s interest in aviation can be traced back over 2,000 years to the mythological era and the epic Ramayana tells of a supersonic-type plane, the Pushpak Vimana, which could fly at the speed of thought. “The shastra has interesting information on vimanas (airplanes), different types of metals and alloys, a spectrometer and even flying gear,” the professor said. The shastra also outlines the metallurgical method to prepare an alloy very light and strong which could withstand high pressure.

He said, Prof Dongre of BHU had brought out a research paper Amshubondhini after studying Vaimanika Shastra and developed the material. “There have been sporadic efforts to develop aeronautics in the country’s history. There has never been a holistic approach to it. Vaimanika Shastra throws up many interesting details that can benefit Indian aviation program,” the director added.

Prof Lakshmithathachar rubbished the tendency among certain scholars to discount such ancient Sanskrit texts and said, “Why would our scholars want to cheat future generations? Unless it was important, nothing was written in the old days. The fact that there exists manuscripts indicates the significance.” The academy has also embarked on other projects including ‘Indian concept of Cosmology’ with Indian Space Research Organization, ‘Iron & Steel in Ancient India — A Historical Perspective’ with the Steel Authority of India Limited, and ‘Tools & Technology of Ancient India.’ D
Source: Deccan herald November 2, 02,
Citations for the above:

Dongre, N.G.,“Dhvantapramapaka Yantra of Maharsi Bharadvaja (Spectrometer/ Monochromator),” IJHS 29.4 (1994) 611-27.

Dongre, N.G.,“Spectroscopy in Ancient India: An Application of Spectroscopy to Astrophysics,” IJHS 33.3 (1998) 229-38.

Dongre, N.G., S. K. Malavia & P. Ramachandra Rao, “Prakasa Stambhanabhida Lauha of Maharsi Bharadvaja (A novel transparent material of range 5000 to 1400 cm),” IJHS 33.4 (1998) 273-80

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Old December 12th, 2012, 05:23 AM   #30

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Ah yes levitation sounds fun, but its never really take off.
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