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Old December 14th, 2012, 01:52 PM   #1
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Advanced technology in Ancient India


I thought I would have a bit of fun as well. Some of the information I am going to post was posted in the thread "Indians had spaceships" however it was ignored So I am giving it its own thread. Also we can more seriously engage with the topic of Advanced technology in ancient India, than just mock it and entertain ourselves silly In fact it is kind of offensive, because to Hindus who believe in vast time cycles which have been recorded in the puranas as going back millions of years and the belief that 6 Manus or epochs of human civilization have passed, before the current 7th Manu. It is believed that human life expectancy, science and technology, cognitive capacity, stature/height were significantly higher than the current age. After each manu(manvantara, = 306 million years) there is a partial destruction.

Then we also have the Jain records which record their lineage going back 80,000 years. There is also the legends of the Tamil sangam literature tracing a lost continent/land in the sea Kumari Kandam an advanced civilization. Similar records are recorded in Ramayana, of a vast continent near modern day Sri Lanka called Lankapura of advanced technology, that was sunk under the sea.

Obviously this contradicts with our current theories about the origins of humans and civilization. So we have two conflicting accounts: Indian history vs Modern Western history. Who is right? Let's discuss

Now lets look at some of the information I posted earlier which was ignored:
The description of aircraft(vimanas) in Sanskrit texts, both religious and secular is a blatant fact. Every Indian knows this. It is a fact that vimanas are mentioned in Indian texts which purport to be actual history - non fiction. There are even famous aircrafts used by Indian kings known to Indians such as Ravana's Pushpak vimana. It is a fact that vimanas are described throughout Indian literature as real
An obvious counter-argument I can anticipate is that it is mythology. However, this contradicts the fact that it is not classified as mythology at all by Indians, it is classified as history. The epics describe actual real historical events that happened in Indian history and trace real kings and their lineages.
The epic texts describe events and locations which can be geographically verified. Indians knew the distinction between fiction and non-fiction, fiction was called katha/kavya - not itihas - history.
and it also a fact that a Sanskrit text on architecture and engineering, Samarangasutradhara in the section "On Machines" describes a flying aircraft, replete with a description of its engine and flight instructions:

Strong and durable must the body of the Vimana be made, like a great flying bird of light material. Inside one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus underneath. By means of the power latent in the mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky. The movements of the Vimana are such that it can vertically ascend, vertically descend, and move slanting forwards and backwards. With the help of the machines human beings can fly in the air and heavenly beings can come down to earth”

That very same text describes what we now know as the antikeythra mechanism
The Samarangasutradhara was compiled by king Bhoja(dated to 1000AD) which describes the science of vastu or architecture and engineering, of which many works had been lost. It also contains a chapter on yantras meaning machines - where he describes all kinds of machines that existed - mechanical wooden robots operated by strings, nuts and bolts, and the antikeythra mechanism, that nobody knew existed until recently.

Now if flying craft of some description did not exist, why would a text on architecture and engineering describe it as an actual machine that existed, and even tell us what engine it used - the same same text that describes machines we know actually existed.

So coming to the controversial Vymanika shastra:
Now, finally the Vymaanika shastra. I agree this text is highly dubious and has questionable origins, I am inclined to reject it completely. Except, there is tiny problem, probably not even worth mentioning, but:

Indian scientists have built a new kind of spectrometer and manufactured a new kind of stealth material by following the instructions in the text! It was credible enough to be published in India's most prestigious science journal: Indian journal of history of science:

The spectrometer:

http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/rawdatau...005afc_611.pdf

The stealth material:
A glass-like material based on technology found in an ancient Sanskrit text that could ultimately be used in a stealth bomber (the material cannot be detected by radar) has been developed by a research scholar of Benaras Hindu University. Prof M A Lakshmithathachar, Director of the Academy of Sanskrit Research in Melkote, near Mandya, told Deccan Herald that tests conducted with the material showed radars could not detect it. “The unique material cannot be traced by radar and so a plane coated with it cannot be detected using radar,” he said.

The academy had been commissioned by the Aeronautical Research Development Board, New Delhi, to take up a one-year study, ‘Non-conventional approach to Aeronautics,’ on the basis of an old text, Vaimanika Shastra, authored by Bharadwaj. Though the period to which Bharadwaj belonged to is not very clear, Prof Lakshmithathachar noted, the manuscripts might be more 1,000 years old. The project aims at deciphering the Bharadwaj’s concepts in aviation.

However, Prof Lakshmithathachar was quick to add that a collaborative effort from scholars of Sanskrit, physics, mathematics and aeronautics is needed to understand Bharadwaj’s shastra. The country’s interest in aviation can be traced back over 2,000 years to the mythological era and the epic Ramayana tells of a supersonic-type plane, the Pushpak Vimana, which could fly at the speed of thought. “The shastra has interesting information on vimanas (airplanes), different types of metals and alloys, a spectrometer and even flying gear,” the professor said. The shastra also outlines the metallurgical method to prepare an alloy very light and strong which could withstand high pressure.

He said, Prof Dongre of BHU had brought out a research paper Amshubondhini after studying Vaimanika Shastra and developed the material. “There have been sporadic efforts to develop aeronautics in the country’s history. There has never been a holistic approach to it. Vaimanika Shastra throws up many interesting details that can benefit Indian aviation program,” the director added.

Prof Lakshmithathachar rubbished the tendency among certain scholars to discount such ancient Sanskrit texts and said, “Why would our scholars want to cheat future generations? Unless it was important, nothing was written in the old days. The fact that there exists manuscripts indicates the significance.” The academy has also embarked on other projects including ‘Indian concept of Cosmology’ with Indian Space Research Organization, ‘Iron & Steel in Ancient India — A Historical Perspective’ with the Steel Authority of India Limited, and ‘Tools & Technology of Ancient India.’ D
Source: Deccan herald November 2, 02,
Citations for the above:

Dongre, N.G.,“Dhvantapramapaka Yantra of Maharsi Bharadvaja (Spectrometer/ Monochromator),” IJHS 29.4 (1994) 611-27.

Dongre, N.G.,“Spectroscopy in Ancient India: An Application of Spectroscopy to Astrophysics,” IJHS 33.3 (1998) 229-38.

Dongre, N.G., S. K. Malavia & P. Ramachandra Rao, “Prakasa Stambhanabhida Lauha of Maharsi Bharadvaja (A novel transparent material of range 5000 to 1400 cm),” IJHS 33.4 (1998) 273-80
If the Vymanika Shastra is a hoax, how the heck did Indian scientists build a new type of spectrometer and manufacture a new kind of infrared absorbing material by following its instructions in the text? If it was a hoax, why would it get published in India's most prestigious science journal? Are they in on the hoax?

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Old December 14th, 2014, 10:35 AM   #2
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Hello Mr. Joshua,

I would really like it if you could discuss more about the stealth technology. And my question to you would be, if such machinery and engines existed at one point of time, where are they now? For sure, they couldn't have vanished from the face of the earth! Even if there was a destruction of the earth, as you mentioned, some record apart from the written records, must have been found by historians. Please elaborate on the above topics, sir. Thanks
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There is a great flaw to all the claims to Indian "UFOs" and stealth technology - why did they not use it to gain independence from Great Britain or defeat their enemies such as the Mongol state? Surly someone could reverse engineer it and do so.
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I don't see why IQ's or intelligence will vary greatly between civilisations. India (or rather the Indian sub-continent) has an advanced and long record of great civilisations.

Now we have the writing of Leonardo Da Vinci that shows advanced thinking in multiple fields and designs for numerous machines many of which have been shown to be practical. I see no reason why 'Indian' civilisations could not produce their own 'Da Vinci' and multiples of.

However even though Da Vinci reputably developed designs for 'tanks', 'helicopters', 'submarines' etc I can guarantee 100% that the endemic warfare of 15th century Italy was fought by armoured men on and off horse back with swords, spears and early cannon etc not by mechanised assaults supported by aircraft.
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Leonardo da vinci's ideas are not original,there's enough evidence to prove that he acquired all his ideas and designs from the Indian subcontinent.All the ancient Sciences in India came from the creator. Contrary to the popular belief of evolution of Civilisation, the Civilisation of India is devolving and was at its lowest during the medieval,the only reason why the good for nothing britishers who were inferior in stature to the Indian giants could conquer us is because of their cowardly deceptive tactic of "devide and rule"

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So at what alleged time did these alleged indians have this alleged advance tech ?
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Leonardo da vinci's ideas are not original,there's enough evidence to prove that he acquired all his ideas and designs from the Indian subcontinent.All the ancient Sciences in India came from the creator.

Really? have you got a source for the claim that he acquired all his ideas from the Indian sub-continent?

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Contrary to the popular belief of evolution of Civilisation, the Civilisation of India is devolving and was at its lowest during the medieval,
Is it continuing to devolve? and if that is the case how could it be at its lowest several centuries ago?

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the only reason why the good for nothing britishers who were inferior in stature to the Indian giants could conquer us is because of their cowardly deceptive tactic of "devide and rule"
To you mean that the 'good for nothing britishers' were literally of inferior stature to Indian giants or metaphorically?

It would also seem simplistic in the extreme that a private trading company could conquer a whole continent of superior beings simply by 'divide and rule'.

But how is this tactic (did they have no strategy) cowardly and deceptive? and just how did it work on the battlefield?
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