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Old January 13th, 2013, 01:47 PM   #1

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Hartford Convention 1814

Twenty six delegates from the New England states met in 1814 at Hartford, Connecticut to discuss the chances of
succession from the United States. The Federalist Party felt the nation under Thomas Jefferson and James Madison
had ignored their local needs.
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The radicals of this movement wanted to join up with the British and become part of Canada, they even sent secret
envoys to discuss what support they could receive from Great Britain.
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What chances do you think this might have had if the War of 1812 had carried on longer? Would the US be forced to fight a two prong war at
the time between England and fight a Civil War with the New England states?
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Old January 13th, 2013, 02:07 PM   #2

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Most of the delegates were very moderate. They decided on some rather mild "demands".
They asked for financial help from the federal government and a constitutional amendment requiring a 2/3 majority (rather than 51%) to impose an embargo or declare war.
The "demands" arrived in Washington after the war had ended and the news of Jackson's victory had reached Washington, making them look rather foolish (and treasonous).

The secession talk is overblown.
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I think it could have been quite possible. In my own experience, New England (northern New England especially) is culturally much closer to Canada then it is to the rest of the US. I suspect that it would have been an independent Republic however, not a new province of Canada. Had this happened, the Middle States and what was then the Northwestern Territories at the time would have become heavily Southernized and the union would look radically different today.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 03:17 PM   #4

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Hartford secession would only have happened if the British really won the war (as opposed to the draw that we know of).

If it happened, the Maine boundary dispute would have ended differently.

New York would have become an even bigger city than it is today without any New English competition.

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