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View Poll Results: France vs Germany
France 2 13.33%
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Old January 16th, 2013, 08:52 PM   #1

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Stronger France vs Imperial Germany


One one side you have a France that controls Alsace-Lorraine, Luxembourg (fortress still standing), the Saar, Wallonia, and Brussels.

On the other side there's Imperial Germany minus the Saar and Alsace-Lorraine.

Who wins?
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Old January 27th, 2013, 09:24 AM   #3
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It depends on when the war is fought and on whether there are fortification lines on the French side of the border or not. If not, Germany would probably win a la the Franco-Prussian war and if yes, they'd invade through the Netherlands. Assuming that it's a one vs. one war, that Germany is not fighting any other wars, and that it is fought between 1871 and 1914, I think they'd have a good chance of taking Paris in both cases. They'll have a harder time than in our world though, that's for sure.
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One one side you have a France that controls Alsace-Lorraine, Luxembourg (fortress still standing), the Saar, Wallonia, and Brussels.

On the other side there's Imperial Germany minus the Saar and Alsace-Lorraine.

Who wins?
Exactly what year are we talking about here, though? After all, time is almost certainly going to be on Germany's side in regards to this. Thus, while France might be likely to win such a war in 1875, Germany might be likely to win such a war in, say, 1910, 1915, or 1920.
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Is this scenario for the Franco/Prussian war or WW1?
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Old October 26th, 2015, 09:54 PM   #6
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I assume it's ww1. Without the impetus to regain Alanice-Lorraine the French army might well have adopted much more reasonable strategic plans and tactical doctrine. The Germans could have to do it all the hard way, and the losses in the first few months being much heavier on the German side and lighter on the French side.
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completely depends in time period. i would say germany usually had the upper hand altho france had its outstanding moments as well. (e.g napoleon0
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I assume it's ww1. Without the impetus to regain Alanice-Lorraine the French army might well have adopted much more reasonable strategic plans and tactical doctrine. The Germans could have to do it all the hard way, and the losses in the first few months being much heavier on the German side and lighter on the French side.
Wouldn't Germany still eventually defeat France in this scenario if it is purely a Franco-German war, though? After all, Germany had more people than France and was also more industrialized than France in 1914.
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Wouldn't Germany still eventually defeat France in this scenario if it is purely a Franco-German war, though? After all, Germany had more people than France and was also more industrialized than France in 1914.
True, but weren't the regions given to France in the OP quite industrialised as well? So things might be a bit more even in this scenario.
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True, but weren't the regions given to France in the OP quite industrialised as well? So things might be a bit more even in this scenario.
Yes, they might be, but I don't think that having France control Alsace-Lorraine and the Saar(land) would completely eliminate its industrial disadvantage relative to Germany.
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