No USSR - Historum

**Isoroku295** · February 24th, 2009, 05:15 PM

not sure if this has already been asked, and if it has, pleace tell me.
What would happen if the Russian Revolution never happened, or maybe the White Army succeeded and returning Russia to it's original form.
Just so noone can say "The People would be discontent, and would constantly rebel", lets just say that a new Czar took power (Nicholas having already been killed), and this Czatr for some reason did things right, and the people begin liking Russia again.
What do you all think the world would be like? and please add in other things, like "Nazi germany was still defeated somehow or another".

Stephen · February 24th, 2009, 05:44 PM

Maybe a non-agression pact with Germany may have never happened. I think maybe the Germans would have defeated Russia as sodliers in WW1 for Russia had it extremily tough (shortages of absolutely everything, hard to just fight) so maybe the Nazis may have just overun the Russian Army. Maybe as a result, the Western front may have been won by the Axis powers as all (majority) of forces would have been diverted to that front.

As a result Germany may be ruling modern Europe today but I think Japan may have been had the same result as they were stretched about as far as they could be.

Nick · February 24th, 2009, 06:06 PM

We'll have to assume either Hitler never took power, Germany was defeated in the 2 world wars or Russia remained neutral.
Russia would be very backward and poor (largely agricultural and still modernising like many of today's Eastern European states). Most people would be illiterate superstitious peasants kept ignorant and prevented from advancing in society by that reactionary opium of the people (the church) that colluded with the government.
However Russia's wealth in resources may have compensated for her backwardness: if the new tsar invested in heavy industry, modernisation of the army, centralising bureaucracy and an effective secret police to crush dissent Russia could still be a major power (especially if there were spies who managed to pass on the atom bomb and captured German scientists able to build it) with a sphere of influence in Eastern Europe and Orthodox regions like Greece, Yugoslavia and parts of the Middle East with a Christian minority.

Himanil · February 24th, 2009, 07:08 PM

Either way, it would be a very boring world today.

JHicks · March 7th, 2009, 01:39 PM

Without the revolution Russia would have kept fighting and ww1 would have ended sooner. During WW2 Hitler never considers the bolsheviks to be a threat and is able focus his attention on the west. France surrender's and Britain is either conquered or forced to make peace. The german army smashes through North Africa and the Middle east. With Britain and France out of the way Hitler turns his attention to Russia. Russia unable to defeat the German Reich on it's own agrees to terms of surrender.

With North Africa,Middle East and most of Europe under his control Hitler begin's plannig the invasion of the USA but dies before the invasion takes place. With Hitler dead a power vaccum is created that drags germany into years of civil war.

Nick · March 26th, 2010, 04:17 PM

Alternatively Tsarist Russia could form an alliance with Nazi Germany in the 1930s. Both countries had a large Jewish minority that was persecuted and blamed for everything. Perhaps popular antisemitism would be more widespread (or even encouraged), with state-sponsored pogroms during times of crisis. On the other hand the Russians could adopt the Nazis' brutal industrialised mass murder and exterminate Eastern Europe's Jews