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Old May 3rd, 2013, 07:24 AM   #1

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Question What If Spartacus Won?


What if Spartacus and his gang had defeated all the legions Rome sent after them and they could have marched for Rome itself, what would have happened? would there been an equal society. Or just reverse slavery with the slaves becoming slave owners and slave owners becoming slaves.

Also what if the pirates didn't betray Spartacus and actually got his men to Sicily?

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Old May 3rd, 2013, 07:33 AM   #2

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I have absolutely no support for this propostion, but it is too bad Sparticus did not win because it may have led Rome to rethink the institution of slavery which they should have done anyway. Notwithstanding his initial successes, the best Sparticus IMO could have done ultimately was sack Rome. Sparticus had a motley crew and I don't believe they could have ever established themselves as some form of governing entity.
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One problem... Pompey the great!
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I agree with Aulus Plautius' sentiments. The most dramatic event that could possibly occurr is the destruction of Rome herself, but who knows if that would actually cause a collapse of the Republic; there's many variables.

I think it would be wrong to interprete Spartacus as some kind of ancient abolitionist; if he and his men escaped to the north, they would have dispersed and settled amongst the Celtic tribes, and if they had made it to Sicily, eventually the Romans would have destroyed them.
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I agree with Aulus Plautius' sentiments. The most dramatic event that could possibly occurr is the destruction of Rome herself, but who knows if that would actually cause a collapse of the Republic; there's many variables.

I think it would be wrong to interprete Spartacus as some kind of ancient abolitionist; if he and his men escaped to the north, they would have dispersed and settled amongst the Celtic tribes, and if they had made it to Sicily, eventually the Romans would have destroyed them.
But what If he took control of Rome what would've happened? My best guess that the Senate would evacuate the most rich and murder the slaves in Rome, so that when Spartacus would get to Rome he'd be left with an empty city.

Lets say the Senate didn't evacuate the city, I'd guess Spartacus would force the Senators to fight as gladiators in some Arena and they would enslave the the rich. I'd guess it'll be the same Rome except other leaders and slaves.
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If the gladiators were making a march on Rome and there were no remaining legions to effectively face them, then I suppose just about everyone in Rome capable of fleeing would do so. When Spartacus and his men entered Rome, there undoubtedly would have been an orgy of plundering and wanton violence, and any senators or military men who had been taken prisoner probably would have been forced to fight as gladiators or otherwise put to death.

Even if Spartacus tried to create some kind of government within Rome, I have a hard time imagining the provinces outside of Italy respecting it. Some, like Spain, probably would have revolted under the leadership of Republican loyalists; others, like Greece, might has asserted their pre-Roman independence.

As for Italy itself, I could see some of the allied tribes and cities revolting against Spartacus as well, unless he was able to maintain a military force sufficient to keep Italy under his thumb.
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Spartacus would have become like any other war leader with a comitatus. He would have wandered through Italy trying to provide plunder for his followers, there being no other economic support.

Once that was no longer possible (agricultural exhaustion, pestilence or whatever), the followers would have splintered into other groupings...who probably would have done the same. But 'speculatively,' maybe the successful Spartacus might have occupied productive land and either taken possession of it by force, or worked something out with the owners - as was widely done in the 5th century AD by other non aristocratic war leaders.

Perhaps a successful Spartacus and his followers would have resulted in a new ethnicity as the later barbarian tribal swarms tended to do. They followed successful war leaders, broke off for various reasons, followed others, fought each other, changed how they were called by name, etc.

Success is never final, and whatever happened it would have been messy.

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Incidentally there was a 'Saturday Night Live' from way back that had a skit:

What if Spartacus had an F-15.
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If the gladiators were making a march on Rome and there were no remaining legions to effectively face them, then I suppose just about everyone in Rome capable of fleeing would do so. When Spartacus and his men entered Rome, there undoubtedly would have been an orgy of plundering and wanton violence, and any senators or military men who had been taken prisoner probably would have been forced to fight as gladiators or otherwise put to death.

Even if Spartacus tried to create some kind of government within Rome, I have a hard time imagining the provinces outside of Italy respecting it. Some, like Spain, probably would have revolted under the leadership of Republican loyalists; others, like Greece, might has asserted their pre-Roman independence.

As for Italy itself, I could see some of the allied tribes and cities revolting against Spartacus as well, unless he was able to maintain a military force sufficient to keep Italy under his thumb.
Lets say Spartacus succeeds in taking Rome and is able to keep it in control with some kind of military dictatorship. And he'd put a majority of the Roman slaves on military training.

After a while he decides to plunder the whole of Italy, he succeeds and Italy is in crumbles. The Roman government in-exile lead by Pompeii the Great resides in Spain and is infuriated by the news.

Meanwhile Greece under a young and charismatic lead declares independence and become sort of an ally of Spartacus who accepts their independence.

Now our good friend Pompeii leads 10 well trained Roman legions fully equipped and bend on destroying Spartacus and his men, these 10 legions were founded out of veterans of the Roman-Spartacus conflicts and fresh recruits of the former citizens of Rome and Italy. And they got the support of 30.000 barbarians and Germans.

Spartacus has now an 140.000 well trained and fully equipped gladiators, they are well fed, and had 6 months to train prior to the conflict. They have roman gear and their own gladiator gear. They have support of 30.000 well Greek soldiers.

The location is Northern Italy.

Who would win? The Republicans under Pompeii the Great
or The Rebels under Spartacus?
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Incidentally there was a 'Saturday Night Live' from way back that had a skit:

What if Spartacus had an F-15.
Let me guess... he still lost because the other guys had F-16's
Do you have a link by any chance?
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