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Old April 13th, 2009, 08:48 AM   #1

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Interesting to speculate if just Germany & the Soviet Union were slugging it out would the western countries step in or hope for the two evils to neutralize each other, i. e. Iran vs Iraq? Seeing how England didn't do anything to stop the Soviet Union from invading Poland in Sept. 39 even though England signed a Mutual Assistance Treaty with Poland one month earlier.
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Old April 13th, 2009, 08:59 AM   #2

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England can't really do much on its own, it's subject to the British parliament.

As for Britain doing something, declaring war on Germany and the Soviet Union, that would have been interesting. Even the Americans who were determined to turn blind eyes towards both Hitler and Stalin may have raised an eyebrow.


I would imagine an intervention would have taken place after a few years, when the Germans were beaten. Grabbing the neutral countries the Third Reich is vacating and garrisoning neutrals.
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Old April 13th, 2009, 03:03 PM   #3

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could you imagine being in the british army when, the day after germany invades poland from the west and the soviets invade from the east, your commanding officer comes along and tells you all: 'right, men, we're off to poland!' how many different direction would your platoon run in?

as to the OP, had germany missed out incurring the wrath of britain and france and just gone directly to the soviets, britain would've stood there and watched quite happily and two enmities progressively weakened themselves. baldwin noted this in about 1935 or 1936. he would've been quite happy for them to war with each other.
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Interesting to speculate if just Germany & the Soviet Union were slugging it out would the western countries step in or hope for the two evils to neutralize each other, i. e. Iran vs Iraq? Seeing how England didn't do anything to stop the Soviet Union from invading Poland in Sept. 39 even though England signed a Mutual Assistance Treaty with Poland one month earlier.
Fair go for england here,england knew that they were not strong enough,so would england risk being caught?if so been caught then ww2 would have been finshed in 1939 with nazi 's in power. i think england made the best choise to stay away until they were as equal as germany was in power.

Now for you're thread topic. Germany v's Russia only.
Do you mean russia fighting against germany in 1939? i go by that.

I am thinking it would be a very even match fight,Germany having much better equitment than Russia and Russia had so many troops that can replace killed troops. Seems to me the both sides might kill each other off.
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Not even by any sense, if Russia got the German war machines total undivided attention, the war would be over in 2 years.
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Well if the Germans could have focused entirely on the Soviet Union then they would defeated them. Their airpower would be at full strength because their was no "Battle of Britain", they wouldn't to divert troops with occupying forces other than the occupation force of Poland, and America wouldn't be lending the Soviet Union materials through the lend-lease act.
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There's been some really clear points made, thanks everyone. And yes, this is for Germany vs Soviet Union ONLY in 1939.
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Lend-Lease is a thought, would Britain sympathised with the Soviet Union and done a Lend-Lease as it did in history.

Firstly without a war Britain could have commited much more to lend lease than it did historically and got it there much easier, the Murmansk convey would be neutral to German U-Boats. Secondly there is a major dispute as to how much Lend-Lease helped the Soviets,
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Perhaps the communist would have fallen fro power with a coup or revolution once the German military machine began destroying the USSR in earnest. So, the scramble might have been who was going to be the next Tsar of Russia, and what nation would pull the strings?

It might well be that the whole thing gets confusing. We might see the commies trying to maintain order in the cities while trying to fend off the Germans. This would be a good time for Britain or even the USA to send some "White Russian" armies to the far eastern USSR ala Abraham Lincoln brigade. Perhaps a western backed civil war errupts in Siberia while the Germans are still attacking on the other front?
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Abraham Lincoln Brigade, now there's a name I hadn't heard in a long time.
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