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Old September 2nd, 2012, 06:35 AM   #541

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There was an incident during one of the Mongol Invasions, namely the invasion of Yunnan, the Kingdom of Dali, when the Mongols had to fight through a narrow mountain pass. Although the Kingdom of Dali had a tiny army that dwarfed the Mongols, the Mongols simply could not get through. Eventually a traitor showed the Mongols another path into the kingdom and soon after Yunnan was Mongol-ruled. A Chinese Thermoplyae .
Sorry, please excuse my mistake "a tiny army that dwarfed the Mongols", I actually meant "a tiny army that was dwarfed by the Mongols".
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Old September 2nd, 2012, 06:36 AM   #542

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Weren't the Yunnani themselves a Turko-Mongol people anyway? So it was just a bit like Norway conquering Sweden.
I had the impression that the Kingdom of Dali was Tibeto-Burman. I think it is a hot matter of debate in Chinese forums.
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I repeat Mongols are not supermen. Why should Mongols bows be any better than anyone else's bow? Draw weight comes back to muscle power. Mongols are not stronger than everyone else. Draw wieghts will be determined by effectiveness. Mongols draw weights will not be any different to anyone else.

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Maximum rate of fire has no relevance to the military use of bows.
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I repeat Mongols are not supermen. Why should Mongols bows be any better than anyone else's bow? Draw weight comes back to muscle power. Mongols are not stronger than everyone else. Draw wieghts will be determined by effectiveness. Mongols draw weights will not be any different to anyone else.
Why should Mongol bows be any better than anyone else's bow? How did the Mongols conquer half the known world? There is a reason for that.
Regarding draw strength, it doesn't just rely on strength, it is also affected by how you hold the bow. The Mongols held the string in a fist, and drew it back the whole way. The Mongols who attacked Europe were well-trained, seasoned and battle-hardened, they had amazing strength and endurance. They weren't supermen, but they combined tactics with ability to make the best fighting force at the time. For more information on the superior Mongol bow, go here. East Asia, for most of history, has been more advanced technologically than the Western Europeans. It wasn't just the Mongols who had this kind of bow, it was also the Tartars, Keraits and all the tribes in the area, including some Manchurian and Korean tribes.
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Old September 2nd, 2012, 07:40 AM   #545

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I repeat Mongols are not supermen. Why should Mongols bows be any better than anyone else's bow? Draw weight comes back to muscle power. Mongols are not stronger than everyone else. Draw wieghts will be determined by effectiveness. Mongols draw weights will not be any different to anyone else.

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Mongol were men very well trained and actually used bows on the ride, so their accuracy was warranted. They surely were physically more capable than Britons, besides they were a mobile blank, then it was by sure more difficult to possibly hit them than a non mounted unit.
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I repeat Mongols are not supermen.
Not supermen in the sense that they can fly wearing a cloak. Definitely not.

But when you have a horde of them riding toward you, even worse running rings around you, and loosing volley upon volley of powerful arrows at you, all the while staying well out of your reach, while you yourself are totally exhausted and at the end of your wits trying to get back at them, then they're a rather daunting force to reckon with.

You can be the best swordsman or dagger wielder of all time, but what's the use of that if you can't get near your foe while he can just kill you from afar at will?

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They surely were physically more capable than Britons
I dont see how, considering the bodies of Longbowmen were often distorted due to rigours of pulling the bow.
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That said, I do accept that the Mongols would have had major difficulty in moving large numbers of men across the English channel.
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I dont see how, considering the bodies of Longbowmen were often distorted due to rigours of pulling the bow.
Mongols weren't just pulling bows.
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Mongols weren't just pulling bows.
What do you mean?
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