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Old July 15th, 2014, 03:20 PM   #1

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If Spain was never conquered by Moors


How would modern Spain (and Portugal) be? Would there be less Arabic influences on the language(s)?
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Old July 15th, 2014, 03:23 PM   #2

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How would modern Spain (and Portugal) be? Would there be less Arabic influences on the language(s)?
It depends on what prevents this event from occurring? Is Islam never created in this scenario?
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It depends on what prevents this event from occurring? Is Islam never created in this scenario?
Yeah, let's say if Islam never existed in the first place, the Moors never conquer the Iberian peninsula.
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Yeah, let's say if Islam never existed in the first place, the Moors never conquer the Iberian peninsula.
In that case, couldn't no Islam mean that Spain is less prosperous and tolerant during the Middle Ages? After all, as far as I know, Christian countries were often/generally less tolerant than Muslim countries during the Middle Ages.
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In that case, couldn't no Islam mean that Spain is less prosperous and tolerant during the Middle Ages? After all, as far as I know, Christian countries were often/generally less tolerant than Muslim countries during the Middle Ages.
Muslims were more tolerant than Christians in the Middle Ages, especially towards Jews. Spain, and the rest of Europe, would not have the scientific or mathematical knowledge that the Muslims brought with them.
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Okay.
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Old July 20th, 2014, 04:33 PM   #7

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There would be a lot of differences, so much things would be different that I leave you w/ just two things that without Mourish influence would be different:

- The architecture in the center/south of Portugal would be much different, a lot of buildings (military and non-military) had been constructed with Arab or Arab related style.
A Presença Islâmica em Portugal

This link has some Arab buildings/Neo-Islamic or Islamic influenced style. Sorry it's in Portuguese but I couldn't find nothing in English.

-The language... almost every word starting with "Al" remounts to Arab.
Ex. "Algarve" "Aljezur" "Alcobaça" "Aljubarrota" - land names
DENISE BOMFIM - SALAM E SALAMALEQUES.: Palavras de origem árabe no português: Words of arab origin in portuguese:
This link shows you a infinite list of words in Portuguese that had their origin on Arab.
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Old July 20th, 2014, 04:55 PM   #8

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You'd have the Visigoth Kingdom surviving and preserving Roman Culture in Spain.

We wouldn't see as powerful a Frankish Empire without the vacuum created by the defeat of the Visigoths and legitimacy the Franks derived from stopping the Arabs at Toures.
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If the Moors had never conquered Spain, the Vikings may well have. The Spanish language would have changed as well as the physical characteristics of the people there.
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If the Moors had never conquered Spain, the Vikings may well have. The Spanish language would have changed as well as the physical characteristics of the people there.
Yes, it was the organized presence of the Arabs, with their well prepared coastal defenses, to avoid the conquer of that land by the Normans [the Normans have never been able to create stable considerable "colonies" in modern Spain like they did in South Italy].

The Normans arrived in Spain thanks to the "Reconquista".

So, a Spain without the Arabs could have been occupied [at least in its coastal regions, so modern Portugal included] by the Normans.

After Byzantines and Visigoths, the Normans had the occasion to take over that land.

So, which Spain would have we seen?

* United? Not impossible, even if Normans adopted the feudal system, so also the eventual division between Spain and Portugal would have been possible, but my guess is that we would have seen a Norman Royal House governing from a city in the south.

* Catholic? Yes. Normans in Italy accepted Catholicism and the authority of the Pope. Arianism may be had chances, but I'm not aware of Normans opposing that much the Church in Rome. At least in the Mediterranean region.

* Imperial? I do think that a united Norman Spain would have had numbers to build a lasting empire. Earlier than what happened. Normans had even the possibility to conquer a part of North Eastern Africa before of the age of Crusades.
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