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Old October 26th, 2009, 08:42 AM   #1

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Vikings vs Greek pirates


Demetrius of Pharos was a Greek pirate, who fought in the first Illyrian war. He later turned to piracy and defied the Roman Empire. The next warrior, Alsting, was just an honest, brutal , and awesome Viking . He constantly raided from the Rhine river to the straits of Gibraltar and the mediteranian and started slave trading in africa. They each have the best ship from their country and time, for Demetrius, he has a new Greek Brireme, complete with a full crew and weapons. Crew is about 108 in number. Also has a ramming head.The ship for Alsting is a new Drakkar Longship, which holds about 100 people, fitted with a dragon ramming head at the front and full crew and weapons.Alrigth, i leave it to you, good people, to decide who would win.
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Old October 26th, 2009, 08:50 AM   #2

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Re: Who would win a seabattle between Demetrius of Pharos and Alsting the Viking?


Depends alot on what kind of waters they're in, and what the wind is like.

The biremes are going to be well-suited to shallow waters on inland seas especially if there isn't any wind. The drakkars are probably going to win if the wind is good and there is open ocean about.

The decorative head on a drakkar is not a ram.
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Is it not? The place where i got my info said it was. hmm, where did you see that at? i feel rather awkward... ahem.. But it does have a ramming device under it, (the ship).
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Depends alot on what kind of waters they're in, and what the wind is like.

The biremes are going to be well-suited to shallow waters on inland seas especially if there isn't any wind. The drakkars are probably going to win if the wind is good and there are deeper waters that are inaccessible to the biremes.

The decorative head on a drakkar is not a ram.
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Re: Who would win a seabattle between Demetrius of Pharos and Alsting the Viking?


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Is it not? The place where i got my info said it was. hmm, where did you see that at? i feel rather awkward... ahem.. But it does have a ramming device under it, (the ship).
No, longships do not have rams under the waterline either.

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See? No ram.

This is what a ship with a ram looks like:

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The Greeks have the advantage of a ram but the Vikings have better equipped warriors and can sail in shallower water. If the Vikings boarded the trireme they would use their axes to devastating effect. Or (if the Greeks outnumber the Vikings) lure the Greek ship onto treacherous rocks
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The Greeks have the advantage of a ram but the Vikings have better equipped warriors and can sail in shallower water.
They can also venture into deeper waters and more unpredictable weather.

For a naval standoff, this is a huge advantage - they can stay out of reach and strike at an opportune moment. Such as when the crews are putting ashore for supplies, or the craft are beached due to poor weather.

Plus the longship is much faster and more maneuverable. Not sure how much chance the biremes would really get to use their rams.

I suspect that, all in all, the longship is the superior vessel. After all, the Byzantine's dromon biremes don't seem to have been very succesful in warding off the Norse and raiders did harass the Bosporus frequently - Constantinople's walls kept the city itself relatively safe, though.
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Old October 26th, 2009, 10:59 AM   #7

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Some monts ago they built up an ancient ship correct with its original shape. Thats not the long and thin kind of anctien ships.

It belongs to Foça /Turkey, It set sailed towards France Marseille, the city was colony belonging to Phokia (Foça).

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Re: Who would win a seabattle between Demetrius of Pharos and Alsting the Viking?


Oh, sorry. My mistake.
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No, longships do not have rams under the waterline either.

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See? No ram.

This is what a ship with a ram looks like:

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Old October 26th, 2009, 11:10 AM   #9

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That is a beuatiful ship.. Excellent work.
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Some monts ago they built up an ancient ship correct with its original shape. Thats not the long and thin kind of anctien ships.

It belongs to Foça /Turkey, It set sailed towards France Marseille, the city was colony belonging to Phokia (Foça).

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Old October 26th, 2009, 11:27 AM   #10

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That is a beuatiful ship.. Excellent work.
Thanks Helfaeng. I took numerous photo of the ship. It was made for the memory of ancient Phokaia people.

But i think Wiking ships have advantage relative to Greek ships. They are stronger because they are adaptive to ocean sea. Even they could manage to travel to America continent. I read Red Eric's Saga. thats was fascinating to know that.
They were probably one of the best in ship tecnology at those time.

Also they were faster than Greek ships.

But wiking ship has no ram.
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