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Old November 26th, 2012, 11:40 PM   #91

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He did compete successfully in the Olympic Games (although without some racial controversy).
You're mixing Alexander the Great with Alexander I of Macedonia.Alex the great was Alex III.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 12:55 AM   #92

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If you wish to know the genetic truth of what Alexander may have looked like, you only have to look at descriptions of both his father and his mother. They were both dark haired. Philip was a Macedonian and one would suspect that Philip would have looked much like the people, who resided in Macedonia at his time. His mother, Olympia, was of a slightly different people than Philip but would not have seemed so different from the typical woman of her era or region.
Blonde hair can sometimes be a variation that can appear "spontaneously" in any child. It can be a pigmentation variance in hair color, much like Albinoism is with skin. However, I am reasonably sure that Philip would have seriously doubted any sirage of Alexander, especially if there was no evidence of blonde hair in his or Olympia's lineage. Such strange variations in any child's appearance would have given any father cause to doubt.
The reason why so many assumed Alexander had blonde hair is because it is very difficult to tell hair or skin color from a monochromatic marble statue.
It is possible that Alexander may have had sandy blonde hair that became more blonde with continuous exposure to sunlight. Also, there is the possibility that Alexander may have altered it with some form of hair coloring. Possibly Henna, which would have made it seem more reddish. Since he was king of Macedonia, Hegemon of Greece and Emperor of the Persian Empire, he could do as he pleased without reguard to anyone else's opinion.
Physically, he was considered quite beautiful. According to the Hellenistic standards of his times. Probably very similar in physique to the famous statue of Hermes. He did compete successfully in the Olympic Games (although without some racial controversy).
Actually there is no source that Alexander had competed in any Olympic competition, but is a source were he is asked by a participat if he would compete in a competition of running, knowing that he is swift of foot, I don't remember if it is one of the Olympics or not, but his answer was: That he would compete if he had kings to compete with. Wisely said from his part because if we would won, he won in front of an ordinary man, but if one of his ordinary opponents won, he would actually beat the king.
I remember that there are a few remarks by the ancient historians that he enjoyed sports.

Now I want to make a request, in a kindly manner, to the guys posting on this thread, since it was me who started this thread and sincerly I don't to be the guy who brakes out all the fun you had here, but please stick your answers and request related to Alexander. Thank you.

Now I saw that there were some points mention about Alexander neck, and the statues of Lissipus. I remember that I once red that it may be a trade mark of Lissypus, and that Alexander was looking towrds the Heaven making a claims to Zeus... saying something that the earth is his (Alexander) and the Heaven to Zeus. I don't remember where I read this, it may be wrong if I will find someday the source and it will be trustfully I will come back and post it here, till then don't take it too hard if it looks like a fantasy. Did any of you read something simmilar.

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Old November 28th, 2012, 09:18 AM   #93

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Actually there is no source that Alexander had competed in any Olympic competition, but is a source were he is asked by a participat if he would compete in a competition of running, knowing that he is swift of foot, I don't remember if it is one of the Olympics or not, but his answer was: That he would compete if he had kings to compete with. Wisely said from his part because if we would won, he won in front of an ordinary man, but if one of his ordinary opponents won, he would actually beat the king.
I remember that there are a few remarks by the ancient historians that he enjoyed sports.

Now I want to make a request, in a kindly manner, to the guys posting on this thread, since it was me who started this thread and sincerly I don't to be the guy who brakes out all the fun you had here, but please stick your answers and request related to Alexander. Thank you.

Now I saw that there were some points mention about Alexander neck, and the statues of Lissipus. I remember that I once red that it may be a trade mark of Lissypus, and that Alexander was looking towrds the Heaven making a claims to Zeus... saying something that the earth is his (Alexander) and the Heaven to Zeus. I don't remember where I read this, it may be wrong if I will find someday the source and it will be trustfully I will come back and post it here, till then don't take it too hard if it looks like a fantasy. Did any of you read something simmilar.

Be cheerful!
Actually there are several sources testifying to Alexander's involvement in the Olympics. Just type into your search engine "Alexander the Great and the Olympics." He was notified of his horse having won in one competition and even gave a speech at the Olympics. However, Alexander was originally denied competition in the Olympics because he was not considered "Greek" by certain city states paticipating. The Macedonians were considered to be barbarians not worthy to enter the Olympic games by these same participants. Alexander was only allowed to participate after he proved he was descended from a line of Greek kings from a Greek city state.
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Actually there are several sources testifying to Alexander's involvement in the Olympics. Just type into your search engine "Alexander the Great and the Olympics." He was notified of his horse having won in one competition and even gave a speech at the Olympics. However, Alexander was originally denied competition in the Olympics because he was not considered "Greek" by certain city states paticipating. The Macedonians were considered to be barbarians not worthy to enter the Olympic games by these same participants. Alexander was only allowed to participate after he proved he was descended from a line of Greek kings from a Greek city state.
Of which Alexander are you talking about?
I am talking about Alexander the Great, also knowns of Alexander the III son of Philip and Olympia of Argead dynasty. I think I've read all trustful ancient sources, and the event you are refering too I can't recall.
Can you be kind enough to give the sources where it states that Alexander <<son of Philip and Olympia known as Alexander the Great/Alexander III>> participated in that particular Olympiad that you are mentioning.
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Actually there are several sources testifying to Alexander's involvement in the Olympics. Just type into your search engine "Alexander the Great and the Olympics." He was notified of his horse having won in one competition and even gave a speech at the Olympics. However, Alexander was originally denied competition in the Olympics because he was not considered "Greek" by certain city states paticipating. The Macedonians were considered to be barbarians not worthy to enter the Olympic games by these same participants. Alexander was only allowed to participate after he proved he was descended from a line of Greek kings from a Greek city state.
You are confusing Alexander I and Alexander III the great. The event you mention is back in the 6th century B.C, before Alexander the greats time. Alexander I, is an ancestor of Alexander the great. He was not denied the competition, he passed through the Hellenodikae who were verifying all the participants ancestry (not exlusively Alexanders I). It would be enough if he had a foreign mother, to be denied, but he proved he was of Argead descend.

You can see all the Olympic victors in this thread: http://www.historum.com/ancient-hist...0?postcount=14

Here is the Wikipedia entry for
Alexander_I_of_Macedon Alexander_I_of_Macedon
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You are confusing Alexander I and Alexander III the great. The event you mention is back in the 6th century B.C, before Alexander the greats time. Alexander I, is an ancestor of Alexander the great. He was not denied the competition, he passed through the Hellenodikae who were verifying all the participants ancestry (not exlusively Alexanders I). It would be enough if he had a foreign mother, to be denied, but he proved he was of Argead descend.

You can see all the Olympic victors in this thread: http://www.historum.com/ancient-hist...0?postcount=14

Here is the Wikipedia entry for Alexander I.
The link was for Alexander the Great and the Olympics not Alexander I. And all the titles in this link were for Alexander the Great. Not Alexander I. You are the one getting confused. Alexander I was never referred to as Alexander the Great.
The Olympics list you submitted only lists the top Atheletes by era and how many games they won not the years they entered. Nor does it list all the particpants. So it does not necessarily occlude any participation by Alexander the Great.

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Old November 29th, 2012, 09:34 AM   #97

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The link was for Alexander the Great and the Olympics not Alexander I. And all the titles in this link were for Alexander the Great. Not Alexander I. You are the one getting confused. Alexander I was never referred to as Alexander the Great.
What on earth are you talking about here? The link on wikipedia is for Alexander I and his participation in the Olympics. I said clearly Alexander I is not Alexander the great. Alexander III is the one we call "the great".

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The Olympics list you submitted only lists the top Atheletes by era and how many games they won not the years they entered. Nor does it list all the particpants. So it does not necessarily occlude any participation by Alexander the Great.
Yes, you are right. However, the wiki link has the info on Alexander I, participation and his incident.
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What on earth are you talking about here? The link on wikipedia is for Alexander I and his participation in the Olympics. I said clearly Alexander I is not Alexander the great. Alexander III is the one we call "the great".
I know very well who Alexander the Great is and the link on my search engine was made as "Alexander the Great and the Olympics." Which brought up the connections I mentioned. Try it sometime and see for yourself.
No mention was or is ever made to Alexander I by this linkage.
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I know very well who Alexander the Great is and the link on my search engine was made as "Alexander the Great and the Olympics." Which brought up the connections I mentioned. Try it sometime and see for yourself.
No mention was or is ever made to Alexander I by this linkage.
Ok, I thought you meant the link I posted. But still where is the primary source for his participation in the Olympics? A search on google doesn't give me any specific source. Also, the Hellinodikae incident you mentioned is about Alexander I and not the III AKA the great. That was my main objection.
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I know very well who Alexander the Great is and the link on my search engine was made as "Alexander the Great and the Olympics." Which brought up the connections I mentioned. Try it sometime and see for yourself.
No mention was or is ever made to Alexander I by this linkage.
I just put 'Alexander the Great and the Olympics' into google and came up with nothing linking Alexander III to the Olympics apart from a mention that a horse of his was once entered (ridden by someone else).
One of the articles specifically mentioned that he disliked athletics.
Another mentions his decree on the exiles, made during an Olympic truce.
There is no mention of him competing himself.
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