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Old November 24th, 2012, 03:34 AM   #61
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“Be carefull while destroying "my assumptions", your tights might get teared...

Bronze age Greeks with horses...





17th century BC Mycenaeans with horses...”


Who to you has told, what Mycenaean 17th century to Н.Э, were Greeks?
You so have solved it? Barbarians from continent have won Crete in the 15th century BC
And your statement about Greeks were Mycenaean in the 17th century BC absolutely not scientifically.
Moreover, I again don't see in your Mycenaean drawings of any horse under a saddle and any person astride a saddle.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 03:59 AM   #62
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Who to you has told, what on these vessels Greeks are represented?
Don't trust the one who it has told.
On a beautiful vessel from 6th century BC the image of the horseman in a headdress and in trousers which are decorated by the sewn metal plates.
Attention: Greeks named Scythians as Turkis, and one tribe from them was called KOLAKSAi.On a head at the horseman mis placed the HEADDRESS which in the Tatar language flaunts is written KOLAKSAi.
I will add that Turkis of Ural Mountains have till now descendants of this tribe who has name: KOLAKSAi.
The penultimate image in general represents my nomadic Tatar people.
Look at a winged Leopard before a horse:
At my Татar=Blgarian the people the winged Leopard is the state symbol!!!
Moreover, my people perfectly remember that a little more 1600 years ago we named our the state Barsilia!

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Old November 24th, 2012, 04:19 AM   #63
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Last image shows a honeymoon trip of a newly-married couple to a marriage bed. The bride treats the groom with a love drink or a potion before a stormy night.
It is recent tradition at uralo-Volga region nomads!
And the most important: Ahead of a horse goes satires - PAN and full his name TAL-PAN in the Greek language.
But this name of ancient Turkic god of a grove and woods!
It and is written – TALPAN.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 11:45 AM   #64

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Try to explain to me why "Alexander's" horse army present "historians" name a shameful word, ἑτaῖροι =hetairoi, meaning the prostitute?
In "Ancient" Greece ἑτaίρa=hetaira =prostitute,
ἑτaῖροι =hetairoi = ostensibly, "partner" (??? ) - "linguists" translate now.
And a root that one!!!: hetair .И means this word: "the Sexual partner".
Only ἑτaίρa - was the PAID PROSTITUTE...
And ἑτaῖροι - there were boys from neighbour's families or relatives.... And them-these boys, used FREE OF CHARGE and under the CONSENT of the FATHER of the boy.
I see already that pseudo-linguists take for a ride to us.
Who and why has deformed Turkic word HEiTAR, GEJDAR meaning the most capable part of a horse army, its advance party?
Even to this day there is a greek dance named etaire and it means friend or companion
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Willingly I believe that under sounds of this dance one ancient Greek tempted another.
But, what relation has concept of SOLDIERS, the SOLDIER to glamour dances of sexual partners-gays?
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Old November 25th, 2012, 01:10 AM   #66

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Who to you has told, what Mycenaean 17th century to Н.Э, were Greeks?
You so have solved it? Barbarians from continent have won Crete in the 15th century BC
And your statement about Greeks were Mycenaean in the 17th century BC absolutely not scientifically.
Moreover, I again don't see in your Mycenaean drawings of any horse under a saddle and any person astride a saddle.
Don't think you can fool me here. I wrote "bronze age Greeks" in the first pictures and Mycenaean (without ethnic determination) on the second. The fact that it was found in Mycenae makes it Mycenaean, no matter if there were Greeks in the 17th century bc or not. The important fact is that the people back then had horses. In the bronze age, charriots were used.


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Who to you has told, what on these vessels Greeks are represented?
Don't trust the one who it has told.
And here is where it gets riddiculus. Yes, there are Greeks represented because there are red attic figures! We have tons of depictions from Greeks riding horses. How do we know they are Greek? Because there are cases where their names or state names are written on them!!! You don't need to be an Eistein to know this...

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Tell me how people who could build complex buildings, were depicting horsemen, but could not ride horses? Lets not discuss, such a riddiculus argument.

The point here is:
a) hetairos means companion, comrade
b) the relation to prostitute is in the sense of an escort girl - prostitute is primarly porne.
c) i am not making up these since I have given you refferences to Lidell & Scott dictionary and several examples of Greek litterature.
d) the millitary terminology refers to elite cavalry and foot men. Those were in Macedonian described as companions (of the King) and foot/pedestrian companions. I suggest you don't question how millions of native speakers of a language have used those terms in thousands of years, just to proove your Tatar theories.
And one more thing...

Ve şunu bilmelisin ki bu evde Altay dillerinden biri konuşuluyor.

In other words ki-en-gar from ki-en-gir, you cannot fool me. I can always verify your Tatar theories.


and for those who do not understand what I wrote, I said that he should know that one Altaic language IS spoken in this house.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 01:15 AM   #67

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Even to this day there is a greek dance named etaire and it means friend or companion
Not to mention εταιρία = company...
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"Don't think you can fool me here. I wrote "bronze age Greeks" in the first pictures and Mycenaean (without ethnic determination) on the second. The fact that it was found in Mycenae makes it Mycenaean, no matter if there were Greeks in the 17th century bc or not. The important fact is that the people back then had horses. In the bronze age, charriots were used. "


I don't have claim to you apropos Mycenian astride horses.
But look narrowly: Mycenaean culture consider as related Frakian=Trakian. Extremely vague Ancient Greek language with an ordinary habit to deform unrelated glossaries doesn't allow you to understand today that the diphthong "th" in the word beginning means an ordinary sound "T".
Look narrowly at the most ancient definition of Thracians which are repeatedly fixed by Latin correspondents of beginning era: "TiRAK" instead of a silly Greek variant.
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" And here is where it gets riddiculus. Yes, there are Greeks represented because there are red attic figures! We have tons of depictions from Greeks riding horses. How do we know they are Greek? Because there are cases where their names or state names are written on them!!! You don't need to be an Eistein to know this..."

The Greek names???
Then tell to me about not Greek etymology of names:Geracl, Apollo, Athena, Gera, the Sir, Talpan, Gorgona, Tefra, Orfej, Atej.
But especially me the etymology of words ELLiN and EVKLid interests.
You don't have their etymology and there is no etymology of many other "Ancient Greek" words!
Look at this:
EVKLid.Take out the silly Greek termination "id"... Also it becomes there and then clear that it Sumerian=Татаr words:

E (i) V = "House", "Temple" in Turkic languages and in Sumer language.
K'L = "System", "Erect" in Turkic languages and in Sumer language.
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Are you saying Euclid and all the Greek gods were Sumerian? And if the Sumerians were a Turkic people (not saying they are) wouldn't that make them related to Tatars, not Tatars themselves?
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