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Old April 12th, 2016, 09:42 PM   #1

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Let's discuss different types of military leaders


Most people have their moment of brilliance and ineptitude, but some people just fail totally.

Generally, a few kinds:

1) Excellent or great most of the time.
2) Consistently good, but nothing outstanding.
3) Mediocre almost all the time.
4) Potentials for the greatest achievements and the greatest catastrophes.
5) Walking disasters! Do not employ!

I dislike games that give generals certain ratings of abilities; these are so AGAINST the real world!
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Old April 12th, 2016, 10:33 PM   #2

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A while ago I decided that I would organize generals into the following categories:

-strategic commanders

-operational

-tactical

-irregular warfare

-Grand Strategy (ie diplomatic/political/administrative and overall plan in all aspects of war)

-organizational (like chief of staff or war minister; logistical, unit organization, time schedules, innovation etc)


Of course many generals would overlap into multiple categories and the majority that people talk about we tend to think of the first 3 criteria. Some generals on a lower level probably would not fit into some of these categories.
Honestly I'm inclined to think that the irregular warfare bit would really be an amalgamation of some of these but the categories I came up with are just to easily understand a commander and for the sake of insurgents, counter insurgency generals and guerillas I basically made this category for them but really it's for generals who use unorthodox strategies and methods such as Orde Wingate who was not technically an insurgent.
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I thought this would be more along the lines of what Lord Oda is proposing.

However, I do think those generals who are great organizationally--above all logistically--are the best. Think Grant, Marlborough.
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Well, there are those who do it by the book, and those who don't (my personal favorite), those who use espionage as a tool and those who don't...
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Old July 4th, 2016, 10:54 PM   #5

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A while ago I decided that I would organize generals into the following categories:

-strategic commanders

-operational

-tactical

-irregular warfare

-Grand Strategy (ie diplomatic/political/administrative and overall plan in all aspects of war)

-organizational (like chief of staff or war minister; logistical, unit organization, time schedules, innovation etc)


Of course many generals would overlap into multiple categories and the majority that people talk about we tend to think of the first 3 criteria. Some generals on a lower level probably would not fit into some of these categories.
Honestly I'm inclined to think that the irregular warfare bit would really be an amalgamation of some of these but the categories I came up with are just to easily understand a commander and for the sake of insurgents, counter insurgency generals and guerillas I basically made this category for them but really it's for generals who use unorthodox strategies and methods such as Orde Wingate who was not technically an insurgent.
Let's make it clearer:
1) The commander-in-chief who is in general command. (If On War is correct, this would be an all-rounder.)
2) Operational
3) Intelligence
4) Logistics
5) Irregular or guerrilla warfare
6) Maintenance or repairs
7) Defense
8) Offense

Unfortunately, many people have been placed in the wrong position.
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Let's make it clearer:
1) The commander-in-chief who is in general command. (If On War is correct, this would be an all-rounder.)
2) Operational
3) Intelligence
4) Logistics
5) Irregular or guerrilla warfare
6) Maintenance or repairs
7) Defense
8) Offense

Unfortunately, many people have been placed in the wrong position.
What about Leaders like Wellington, Gustavus or Cao Cao who excel in many of these area's?
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Old July 5th, 2016, 01:04 AM   #7

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El Cid is your man for number one (excellent or great). All of the time I would say, not most. He did have tendency toward ruthless violence but then surely that helps with the legend and with results?

Nice guys never win.
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We're forgetting good-to-average guys like Domnall Ballach who pulled off one absolute blinder: the one-hit-wonders. Unless that's more a circumstance than a type?
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what makes up a military leader is a range of mental talents abilities and attitudes which are to going to map neatly into operational areas.

it can be hard to distinguish threader from their general orgizatinal culture and their team of sub commanders. particularly with some leaders going back in history who made what decisions and what really happened can be somewhat unkownable.

you can break down leaders talents into areas or rate leaders on various arbitrary categories.
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Old July 11th, 2016, 03:34 PM   #10

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What about Leaders like Wellington, Gustavus or Cao Cao who excel in many of these area's?
I assume they would overlap into multiple of these categories.
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