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Old February 14th, 2010, 07:36 PM   #1

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Precisely where was the riding stirrup first invented, and about when? Am I right in thinking that it was an Oriental invention that was spread into the West via the steppe peoples?

I've read that the Avars were the first to use it in the West, is this true? At what point was it adopted in the Eastern Roman Army?

As an interesting note, I've read that the Celtiberians of northern Spain were using a primitive stirrup as early as the 3rd Century BC. Unlike the swords and shields of the Spaniards however, the Romans didn't copy this invention
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I thought it was a steppe invention spread to the middle-east.
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I've wondered the same thing about the horseshoe.

This article says the "Synthians" around 1000 BC.

http://strangehorizons.com/2001/20010924/stirrup.shtml

Not sure if they meant the Sythians, which would not be 1,000 BC, would it?
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I thought it was a steppe invention spread to the middle-east.
That's pretty much what I'm thinking, I was wondering if someone could elaborate what we know thus far.
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I've wondered the same thing about the horseshoe.

This article says the "Synthians" around 1000 BC.

http://strangehorizons.com/2001/20010924/stirrup.shtml

Not sure if they meant the Sythians, which would not be 1,000 BC, would it?
I'm presuming they meant the Scythians. I'm not precisedly sure when they orignated - and chances are nobody is - but I'm thinking a 500 BC date would be more accurate.
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This fellow does not appear to have them in Kazakhstan in 300 BC

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This fellow does not appear to have them in Kazakhstan in 300 BC

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Who painted that? The Kazachstans, or someone unfamiliar enough with stirrups to not see them/remember them?
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I'm thinking the painter would have been an Indo-Scythian. If stirrups did originate with the Scythians, obviously not all the Scythians adopted them at the same time.
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Who painted that? The Kazachstans, or someone unfamiliar enough with stirrups to not see them/remember them?
I'm asking, because he also doesn't wear a helmet, but i would not dare say Scythians didn't wear helmets...
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I'm asking, because he also doesn't wear a helmet, but i would not dare say Scythians didn't wear helmets...
The Scythians were a culture in which the upper-class nobility had access to armor, but the commoners wouldn't have. So this could be a depiction of a low-ranking Scythian or Indo-Scythian tribesman.
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