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Old November 19th, 2016, 07:11 AM   #11
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It's not like they care about war crimes in present anyway.
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Old November 19th, 2016, 07:38 AM   #12

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It's not like they care about war crimes in present anyway.
After a war, still today, the winners punish the losers for their "war crimes", but no one will punish the winners for their own "war crimes".

This is reality, the rest is just idealism.
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Old November 19th, 2016, 12:54 PM   #13
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The normal response to a breach of the conventions of war was retaliation in kind--eg. The Americans burn York (Toronto) the British burn Washington.
If prisoners or surrendering troops were slaughtered by one side--there would be no quarter in the next engagement.

If you were besieged and surrendered, it wasn't too bad

If you resisted and your city/castle fell, you were treated a lot more harshly.
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It was a made up concept to try Axis officers and officials for doing the same thing the Allies did.
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It was a made up concept to try Axis officers and officials for doing the same thing the Allies did.
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Old November 19th, 2016, 02:23 PM   #16

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If you were besieged and surrendered, it wasn't too bad

If you resisted and your city/castle fell, you were treated a lot more harshly.
That was the "rule" at the time. The besieged could resist until there was a breach in the wall. Once that happened the city or town would be offered to surrender. If they accepted the defenders might be allowed to leave under arms or at least get good terms, the city would not be looted. If they refused and forced the attacker to take the city by storm the forfeited the right to mercy, the city was would be sacked and the garrison treated harshly or maybe even killed.
Surrendering without even an attempt to resist though would have been disgraceful.
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It's interpretation. I don't need to source, but here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied...g_World_War_II
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Just like today, there were 'rules' that most people followed, when it suited them.
And just like today, they broke those rules when they wanted to, and usually found a very 'reasonable' excuse for doing so.
It is always the other side's fault, especially if you WIN.
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There have always been important conventions, and largely-unwritten rules to follow in the conduct of war. In the Iliad, the gods intervene when Achilles takes his already unjust punishment of Hector too far. The Iliad dates to almost a thousand BC.

The first actual war crimes legislation was penned in 697, and is called the Cain Adomnan. At the same time, the Umayyad Caliphate issued some proclamations on the subject, and the later medieval boasted chivalry (actually widely-adhered to) and the Peace of God movement. The first international war crimes trial was in the late 1400s, and the first big magisterial works on the subject (legal and philosophical) followed in the 1500s. Countless stories and legends are told of the ill-fortune that befell lords who did things considered uncivilised by the standards of their age.
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Was reading about Henry v killing prisoners after Agincourt, the only thing they were bothered about was the loss of ransom,peasants were expendable of course.

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