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Old December 17th, 2016, 04:03 PM   #51
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Rommel was a soldier, a quite unpolitical soldier, but one who saw, that the Nazis made his army great again. He was never member of the NSDAP and seems to have had no greater interest nor knowledge about the Nazi ideology. He admired Hitler in the first years of his era for his political and military succesful and critisized him, when Hitler's decision became more and more influenced by ideological reasons. It is uncertain, whether Rommel took part in the assassination of Hitler or at least knew about it. His widow has made clear, that her husband was nothing else than an unpolitical soldier, bound to his oath.
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This and the doc I posted go way beyond this outdated point of view.
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If you ask me Rommel knew about the Bomb Plot but was not involved in it.
Various officers which were interrogated tried to implicate Rommel in the plot, most likely the reason why he was executed was because of that. Not to mention that many of those suspected served in the west and interacted with Rommel during that time or were even on his staff.

Rommel was apolitical in the sense that he did not involve himself in the politics and had no political aspirations. But he supported the National Socialist regime all the same, as did most German officers and probably agreed with a fair bit of what Hitler was saying.

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Old December 17th, 2016, 04:22 PM   #53
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If you ask me Rommel knew about the Bomb Plot but was not involved in it.
Various officers which were interrogated tried to implicate Rommel in the plot, most likely the reason why he was executed was because of that. Not to mention that money of those suspected served in the west and interacted with Rommel during that time or were even on his staff.

Rommel was apolitical in the sense that he did not involve himself in the politics and had no political aspirations. But he supported the National Socialist regime all the same, as did most German officers and probably agreed with a fair bit of what Hitler was saying.
Not just a bit: "Einsatzgruppe Egypt (German: Einsatzgruppe Ägypten) was a special mobile SS death squad, which was to carry out a mass killing of Jews in British mandate of Palestine similar to the way they operated in eastern Europe. "Einsatzgruppe Egypt" was standing by in Athens and was ready to disembark for Palestine in the summer of 1942, attached to the "Afrika Korps" led by the famed desert commander General Erwin Rommel. The Middle East death squad, similar to those operating throughout eastern Europe during the war, was to be led by SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Walther Rauff."

Rommel agreed for 24 members, but gladly he lost that theater of war.
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If you ask me Rommel knew about the Bomb Plot but was not involved in it.
Various officers which were interrogated tried to implicate Rommel in the plot, most likely the reason why he was executed was because of that. Not to mention that many of those suspected served in the west and interacted with Rommel during that time or were even on his staff.

Rommel was apolitical in the sense that he did not involve himself in the politics and had no political aspirations. But he supported the National Socialist regime all the same, as did most German officers and probably agreed with a fair bit of what Hitler was saying.
Agreed for the general idea of your post even if Rommel was, maybe, a little bit more ambiguous than you claim,he's even seen as a carrierist hypocrit by some historians.
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Rommel had a complex personality, and his relationship with National Socialism is still controversial but at the very least ambivalent and suspicious.
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This and the doc I posted go way beyond this outdated point of view.
Outdated? I read This. But I couldn't really see, how it claims something very different than me did. Rommel was with the nazis, cos the Nazis ruled Germany. That is something very different than to be a Nazi.

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Not just a bit: "Einsatzgruppe Egypt (German: Einsatzgruppe Ägypten) was a special mobile SS death squad, which was to carry out a mass killing of Jews in British mandate of Palestine similar to the way they operated in eastern Europe. "Einsatzgruppe Egypt" was standing by in Athens and was ready to disembark for Palestine in the summer of 1942, attached to the "Afrika Korps" led by the famed desert commander General Erwin Rommel. The Middle East death squad, similar to those operating throughout eastern Europe during the war, was to be led by SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Walther Rauff."

Rommel agreed for 24 members, but gladly he lost that theater of war.
We spoke about that in another thread. It is a silly attempt to downgrade Rommel.
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Outdated? I read This. But I couldn't really see, how it claims something very different than me did. Rommel was with the nazis, cos the Nazis ruled Germany. That is something very different than to be a Nazi.


We spoke about that in another thread. It is a silly attempt to downgrade Rommel.
No, Rommel worshipped Hitler. This alone is very nazi-like to me.

Alright, so you "read" the whole wiki-article. Could you spare your time and watch the doc now?
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No, Rommel worshipped Hitler. This alone is very nazi-like to me.

Alright, so you "read" the whole wiki-article. Could you spare your time and watch the doc now?
Nazi-like? So you say it by yourself, he was not a Nazi. He served his country, independend from the ideology of the politicians, he was loyal under the kaiser, he was loyal under Social-Democrate and Conservative Democrats and he was loyal to Hitler. You can blame him for this. You can blame him for closing his eyes. It isn't making him a Nazi.
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Nazi-like? So you say it by yourself, he was not a Nazi. He served his country, independend from the ideology of the politicians, he was loyal under the kaiser, he was loyal under Social-Democrate and Conservative Democrats and he was loyal to Hitler. You can blame him for this. You can blame him for closing his eyes. It isn't making him a Nazi.
What makes a man a nazi in your point of view them? Serious question.
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What makes a man a nazi in your point of view them? Serious question.
A nazi should share the nazi ideology
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The Prussian class, in large measure, despised the Weimar Republic & anything that had a taint of a democratic institution to it. There is the initial buy in. Political chaos to their class. Anything is better than Bolshevism. Plus we have Hindenburg & can control the little corporal. Sound familiar?

Old Hindy dies & the little guy proves to be a little bit uncontrollable. Success will do that. And hell, that success is good for you also.

Nobody just woke up one day & found themselves ruled by an demagogue bent on world domination & genocide. It comes, as life does, in increments.

Everyone steers their moral compass based on the issues presented in the present. And these are often flawed in view from imperfect perception.

The earlier quote on Manstein does a good job of showing the duty felt by a career military officer. Oh & yes, its good for the career when the leader of the country, you swore allegiance to, is expanding the military. Opportunity meets the moment. You'd pass it up?

Put yourself in the position of a Lt Col in the Wehrmacht, who served in the First World War, and were fortunate to be part of the 100,000 man army. An extremely patriot individual. Proud of his class, prouder still of Deutschland. I doubt few in the US today could even fathom this unique creature.

Its 1936. Oh yes dear Frau, I resigned today. To hell with the kinder & this nice place we have. See I can see the future & this Adolf guy. He is going to destroy the country & send your grandparents to a gas chamber. So pack up, we are going to America.

Silly? Yep. But no more silly than the never ending 20/20 Monday morning quarterbacking on evil. It exists. Its not exclusive to Germans or NAZIS. People live in the moment & don't get the advantage of 20/20 hindsight. All you have is history, so try not to repeat it. But of course we will.




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