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Old January 6th, 2017, 12:58 PM   #11
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In Russia the temperatre can get down to -40 degrees
not in the parts where WWII was fought. Russia is too vast a country to just mention 'Russia' while no specifying which part of it precisely. Moscow has a mild climate that rarely reaches around -20C and it's only for a couple of months at most. WWII lasted 4 years where it was also summer, fall and spring time.

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Old January 6th, 2017, 01:00 PM   #12
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I guessed Napoleon would have told someone a bit more than 100 years earlier? Global warming wasn't a thing back then yet.

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I know it may be surpring cos I am German, but I made a joke
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my grandfather got winter clothings in november. It was already below zero and snowing since october. In November the temprature dropped far below zero. trench coates and simple gloves don't work at 30C below.
Being an extreme trekker I know it perfectly: what's suitable now to take a walk in my homeland [a nice town on an Alpine lake] at -2 is not suitable to face a winter ice storm on Scottish highlands ...

The point about the German expedition is similar to the point about the Napoleon's one: Hitler thought to be able to obtain a quick victory, defeating the Soviets in a bit more than a while ...
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Being an extreme trekker I know it perfectly: what's suitable now to take a walk in my homeland [a nice town on an Alpine lake] at -2 is not suitable to face a winter ice storm on Scottish highlands ...

The point about the German expedition is similar to the point about the Napoleon's one: Hitler thought to be able to obtain a quick victory, defeating the Soviets in a bit more than a while ...
yes, and it seems he thought the German soldiers wouldn't realize that the war will not be finished before winter, if they get no winter clothing.
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yes, and it seems he thought the German soldiers wouldn't realize that the war will not be finished before winter, if they get no winter clothing.
It was the same about the Italian troops: Mussolini was absolutely sure that the divisions of the Axis [invincible and unstoppable! Who dared to doubt?] would have solve the matter before winter ...

the tragic [and historical for Italians] withdrawal of the ARMIR has demonstrated that both the dictators were terribly wrong.
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not in the parts where WWII was fought. Russia is too vast a country to just mention 'Russia' while no specifying which part of it precisely. Moscow has a mild climate that rarely reaches around -20C and it's only for a couple of months at most. WWII lasted 4 years where it was also summer, fall and spring time.

You said mild climate and -20 in the same sentence.
I think we found the problem right there. To Russians -20 is mild. to everyone else on the planet -20 is ungodly certain death on Ice Planet Zero.
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You said mild climate and -20 in the same sentence.
I think we found the problem right there. To Russians -20 is mild. to everyone else on the planet -20 is ungodly certain death on Ice Planet Zero.
Well, no ... -20 [Celsius degrees] is still a manageable winter temperature for Italian Alpines ... the problem came when temperature fell under -40 [in Siberia you can have to deal with -50!!!!].
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I know it may be surpring cos I am German, but I made a joke
Damn it, you guys get me every time.
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Damn it, you guys get me every time.
Good job he didn't mention Rommel's Afrika Korps in their fur coats!
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Soviets themselves were "surprised" by winter too in Winter War. For example, troops from Polish front were sent in summer clothing to north where temperatures were sometimes below -30C. That happened to be one of the coldest winters in century.

War started in nov30 1939 and Soviets figured the resistance will not take too long.
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