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Old January 6th, 2017, 01:23 PM   #31

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Due to Russia being very continental, you get problems year round. The summers can get very hot, the earth is dry, vehicles on bad roads create a lor of dust. Autumn brings heavy rainfal and lots of mud. Winter brings cold, in '41 it was so bad the gas froze in German tanks.
listening to you guys, one might think Red Army mech corps used flying saucers to have an edge over the Germans...

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Old January 6th, 2017, 01:37 PM   #32
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listening to you guys, one might think Red Army mech corps used flying saucers to have an edge over the Germans...

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Are you going to actually contribute anything, or just troll?
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Old January 6th, 2017, 01:45 PM   #33
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and who were? Russians are polar bears or what?
Berlin (52 deg N. Latitude), three months where average lows below freezing
Moscow (55 deg N Latitude), five months where average lows below freezing=St. Petersberg (59 deg N. Latitude), five months where average lows below (colder than Moscow)

The Russians were a bit more adopted to Russians winters than Germans, who were more adopted to German winters. Crazy huh?

Plus, a good amount of Stalin's counterattack forces for the Winter Counteroffensive of '41-42 were Siberians pressed into service, which is why so many of them could sky and snowshoe expertly, which most German Landsers couldn't.
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Old January 6th, 2017, 01:50 PM   #34

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You said mild climate and -20 in the same sentence.
I think we found the problem right there. To Russians -20 is mild. to everyone else on the planet -20 is ungodly certain death on Ice Planet Zero.
Actually not that unusual in Edmonton or Winnipeg.

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not in the parts where WWII was fought. Russia is too vast a country to just mention 'Russia' while no specifying which part of it precisely. Moscow has a mild climate that rarely reaches around -20C and it's only for a couple of months at most.]
I think it was around -25 in early December 1941, but even in -15 or -20 troops could get frostbite from prolonged exposure without winter gear.
(As mentioned earlier, greatcoats and leather boots won't cut it)

Also not taking into account wind chill, so -25 could FEEL like -40 if there was wind

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Old January 6th, 2017, 01:53 PM   #35

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The Russians were a bit more adopted to Russians winters than Germans, who were more adopted to German winters. Crazy huh?
absolutely. Russians grow fur, huh?
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Old January 6th, 2017, 01:57 PM   #36

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Counteroffensive of '41-42 were Siberians pressed into service, which is why so many of them could sky and snowshoe expertly, which most German Landsers couldn't.
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Old January 6th, 2017, 01:59 PM   #37
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One of the most popular explanations why Operation Barbarrosa failed (specifically Stalingrad) was that the German forces lacked proper winter clothing....
You post is confused - Barbarossa didn't fail. I think you mean the German invasion of the Soviet Union as a whole.
The battle of Stalingrad was a year later Btw after the first Russian Winter


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...the popular stigma is that German soldiers were literally freezing to death during the battle and entire battalions were literally rock frozen with tanks and other vehicles being stuck in mud and ice roads....
I think you mean "popular conception" not stigma

Don't be so free with your use of the word "literally". That means is really was how you said it.
Troops would die of cold and exposure usually when they rested and not in battle and they probably didn't freeze hard as rocks



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...many movies and games portray Germans as wearing summer khakis that are literally PERFECT for fighting in summer and even for the desert but would be utter suicidal to wear in late October and early November when fall is coming and the weather is getting colder....
I'm not sure what "literally perfect" is supposed to mean
I can't think of any pictures of German troops in Russia wearing khaki. Summer uniforms in October & November (which are part of the Fall and not when it is coming) are OK to use - thye just need supplemented with some warmer, windproof clothing


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...I just recently saw a documentary where footage of the battles so German soldiers in TRENCH COATS. The kind you wear when you are going out on a cold November night....
I think you mean GREAT coats


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...some of the more elite units in the battle were even dressed up in complete Arctic gear...
Don't take TV documentaries at face value - they often mix up footage
I saw a History Channel doc about the Battle of the Bulge...they were talking about King Tiger tanks whilst showing footage of early model Pz IV tanks
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Old January 6th, 2017, 02:14 PM   #38

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absolutely. Russians grow fur, huh?
Er No-- but they might develop uniforms that are better for the environment and appreciate more what is required to operate in such temperatures (especially after the bitter experience of the Winter or Finnish war).

Try to actually engage in discussion rather than simply make snide comments -- this is a history discussion site if you don't want to discuss history why come here?
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German SS was better prepared than the Heer, the pic you posted isn't German army.
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Old January 6th, 2017, 02:29 PM   #40

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listening to you guys, one might think Red Army mech corps used flying saucers to have an edge over the Germans...
Нет, они наверно позвонили Супермена или какого-нибудь супергероя, чтобы помагал им. :P No they probably rang some superhero to help them. I was mostly reffering to the period of the winter '41/'42 at Moscow, where both sides threw everything they had in the put and the Russians prevailed simply because they had somewhat more men. Would the weather be better for the Germans, they could get to Moscow earlier (it would still be cold and snow and winter), when the Russians couldn't pull their Siberian reserves from the Far East due to expecting an attack from Japan. In this case the Germans could quite possibly take Moscow.
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