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Old January 6th, 2017, 02:40 PM   #41

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listening to you guys, one might think Red Army mech corps used flying saucers to have an edge over the Germans...

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No, of course the Soviets didn't build flying saucers.
(They were provided by Lend Lease)
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Old January 6th, 2017, 02:49 PM   #42

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they might develop uniforms that are better for the environment and appreciate more what is required to operate in such temperatures
it would have been a very awkward uniform to wear, let alone operate.
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absolutely. Russians grow fur, huh?
No. But lots and lots of vodka helps.
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it would have been a very awkward uniform to wear, let alone operate.

The German one? not that awkward in 'normal' (for central/western Europe) but not as effective as the much less fashionable even scruffy Russian uniforms in keeping out the Cold.

saw an excellent documentary which addressed the subject and the presenter dressed in German uniform and then went into a freezer for a set time and then tried some basic mental and physical tasks and really struggled.

the experiment was then repeated but in a Russian uniform and the difference was absolutely stunning ,he was much more able to function as a soldier.
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Old January 6th, 2017, 02:58 PM   #45

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No. But lots and lots of vodka helps.
that will kill you, make you feel warmer and happier but actually lower your body temperature and quicken death.

Nice cup of tea would be a better option.
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Old January 6th, 2017, 03:08 PM   #46

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The German one? not that awkward in 'normal' (for central/western Europe) but not as effective as the much less fashionable even scruffy Russian uniforms in keeping out the Cold.
that is a myth... if things were that simple, the Germans would have come up with a proper winter uniform just like they did with tanks when the T-34s appeared.

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saw an excellent documentary which addressed the subject and the presenter dressed in German uniform and then went into a freezer for a set time and then tried some basic mental and physical tasks and really struggled.
never trust documentaries.

no uniform would help you in extremely cold weather.
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No. But lots and lots of vodka helps.
helps go asleep, yeah.
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No. But lots and lots of vodka helps.
Alcohol makes your blood run through your skin more, which makes you feel warmer but actually cools you, so it's dangerous.
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Old January 6th, 2017, 03:22 PM   #49

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that is a myth... if things were that simple, the Germans would have come up with a proper winter uniform just like they did with tanks when the T-34s appeared..
No it is not for all your complaining about poorly educated Westerners you really know little yourself.

it took a considerable time to counter the T-34, and anyway the Germans had 'proper winter uniforms' and German Alpine troops would no doubt have coped with the weather but the average infantryman didn't.

Winter uniforms for millions of troops take time to produce and distribute, German logistical planning wasn't up to it.



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never trust documentaries..
Depends who makes them, seemed reasonable.

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no uniform would help you in extremely cold weather.
Really? no clothing will help in cold weather -- how do humans survive in space?

How do arctic troops fight?

Sorry your comment is just silly , as the 'Philosopher' Billy Connelly said' There is no such thing as the wrong weather just the wrong clothes'
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Old January 6th, 2017, 03:25 PM   #50

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The problem with the Russian winter for the German forces was that their plan depended on them winning before it arrived.
By the time winter arrived German logistics were so stretched they had massive difficulties in ensuring the advanced units had enough ammo food and fuel, without adding winter equipment into the mix.
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